In describing some military ammo . . . What does BALL mean?

N320AWN320AW Senior MemberPosts: 648 Senior Member
Does this have anything to do with the powder or the projectile?

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  • Bham ShooterBham Shooter Senior Member Posts: 609 Senior Member
    N320AW wrote: »
    Does this have anything to do with the powder or the projectile?

    Meaning it is not a hollow point/frangible/mushrooming etc. I think it usually refers to a full metal jacket.
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  • DanChamberlainDanChamberlain Senior Member Posts: 2,932 Senior Member
    It dates all the way back to "non-shot" in muskets. For military applications, the muskets were loaded with "ball," rather than shot.

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  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 8,461 Senior Member
    Only ones that come to mind are ball (FMJ), tracer, AP (armor piercing), and API (armor piercing incendairy)
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  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 1,068 Senior Member
    It dates all the way back to "non-shot" in muskets. For military applications, the muskets were loaded with "ball," rather than shot.

    Dan
    +1 :up:

    It later became a common term used to describe ammo of any shape that had a solid bullet. A slang term that was used in the military a lot was "hardball", used to descibe FMJ rounds.
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  • N320AWN320AW Senior Member Posts: 648 Senior Member
    Thanks
  • 1911fan1911fan Member Posts: 192 Member
    A few outfits in the Civil War used "Buck and Ball". They were equipped with .69 caliber smoothbore muskets and each round contained one .69 cal ball and three buckshot pellets. Although this was an expedient at the beginning of the war, to get arms in the hands of the troops, some commanders continued to use them on the grounds that this encouraged their men to get "in close" where their shots would be really effective.

    If you ever tour a Civil War battlefield and see a monument with three small balls topped with one large ball, that's where one of these units fought.

    Common nowadays are ball, blank, tracer, armor piercing, armor-piercing incendiary, and dummy. Wow, the things a guy remembers from Infantry School...

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  • PegasusPegasus Senior Member Posts: 2,467 Senior Member
    Let's not forget OTM (Open Tip Match), like the MK262 (5.56) and the M118LR (7.62).
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 9,337 Senior Member
    The origin of the term "ball" ammo comes from the Napoleonic Wars. Because soldiers tend to shoot high under the stress of close combat, their sergeants ordered the soldiers to "hold for their belts." Of course, then they shot a trifle low. So numerous were the mid-body testicular wounds, ammo was casually referred to as "ball ammo." Also, the battle cry of "kick their butts and shoot their nuts."
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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 16,597 Senior Member
    Gene L wrote: »
    The origin of the term "ball" ammo comes from the Napoleonic Wars. Because soldiers tend to shoot high under the stress of close combat, their sergeants ordered the soldiers to "hold for their belts." Of course, then they shot a trifle low. So numerous were the mid-body testicular wounds, ammo was casually referred to as "ball ammo." Also, the battle cry of "kick their butts and shoot their nuts."
    And where did you discover this pearl of wisdom?
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  • KENFU1911KENFU1911 Senior Member Posts: 1,052 Senior Member
    knitepoet wrote: »
    And where did you discover this pearl of wisdom?
    Wondering the same thing...........but it is a good story............Ken
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  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Gene L wrote: »
    The origin of the term "ball" ammo comes from the Napoleonic Wars. Because soldiers tend to shoot high under the stress of close combat, their sergeants ordered the soldiers to "hold for their belts." Of course, then they shot a trifle low. So numerous were the mid-body testicular wounds, ammo was casually referred to as "ball ammo." Also, the battle cry of "kick their butts and shoot their nuts."

    I kinda think this is urban legend (or a funny joke) but I could be wrong. Anyone else have historic info on this? The term "ball" has always meant solid projectile ammo, today known as FMJ, I think. Besides, during Napoleonic Wars, ammo was all rough-cut ball or rounded shot for muskets.

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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 12,555 Senior Member
    I kinda figured that it came from the fact that the original ammo for muskets was a ball, the first practical pointed bullet was known as the Minie ball, and it kinda went from there.

    I also doubt that "nuts" was slang for testicle during the Napoleonic wars.
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 9,337 Senior Member
    Minie balls were the reason for Mickey Mouse's annulment.
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  • sherwoodsherwood Senior Member Posts: 1,213 Senior Member
    OK, I give up! What does VFS stand for? Thanks.
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 9,337 Senior Member
    Virtual Fly Shop. I was banned for life from that one (Flyfisher Magazine) several years ago, and was almost banned from ALL InterMedia boards. But Marshal Dan saved me so I could post on this one and this one alone.

    Lots of fruitcakes on certain sites...not saying VFS is one of them...what they are is a few good men with lots of tree-hugging liberals.

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