Interesting Mosin Nagant FACTS!

mkk41mkk41 BannedPosts: 1,932 Senior Member
Almost as good as "there's no M-14s currently issued in Iraq"!

Original post, "Today i came across a remington mosin nagant at a local gun shop. I have never seen one of these before or ever heard anything about them. This has the remington stamp above the chamber and looks to be all original. There asking $350 for it. What are these worth? Im very interested in finding out more about these."


ANSWER; " there is no such thing as a remington mosin nagant. mosin nagant is not a model of gun but a manufacturer. the 91/30 rifle is manufactured but the companies mosin and nagant in russia. remington is a US company and unless they bought out mosin and nagant, there is no rifle that would have all three stamps on the receiver that is legitimate. I would stay away from it.
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  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 36,648 Senior Member
    WHERE did you find this?


    EDIT: Nevermind, I found it.
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  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,598 Senior Member
    Proof, people exist that do not speak from facts... SHOCKER!

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  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 6,522 Senior Member
    I thought I remember Remington building them under contract to Russia. Found this on Wiki.

    With the start of World War I, production was restricted to the M1891 dragoon and infantry models for the sake of simplicity. Due to the desperate shortage of arms and the shortcomings of a still-developing domestic industry, the Russian government ordered 1.5 million M1891 infantry rifles from Remington Arms and another 1.8 million from New England Westinghouse in the United States.[2] Remington produced 750,000 rifles before production was halted by the 1917 October Revolution. Deliveries to Russia had amounted to 469,951 rifles when the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk ended hostilities between the Central Powers and Russia. The remaining 280,000 rifles were purchased by the United States Army. American and British expeditionary forces of the North Russia Campaign were armed with these rifles and sent to Murmansk and Arkhangelsk in the late summer of 1918 to prevent the large quantities of munitions delivered for Czarist forces from being captured by the Central Powers. Remaining rifles were used for the training of U.S. Army troops. Some were used to equip U.S. National Guard, SATC, and ROTC units.[3] Designated "U.S. Rifle, 7.62mm, Model of 1916", these are among the rarest of American service arms. In 1917, 50,000 rifles were sent via Vladivostok to the Czechoslovak Legions in Siberia to aid in their attempt to secure passage to France.
  • olesniperolesniper Senior Member Posts: 3,474 Senior Member
    Uh.....guys.......if you'll Google "Remington Mosin"........you'll get a big surprise.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 20,682 Senior Member
    Arrrrrrg!!! What a moranical statement! And to think, I always thought that the name Mosin Nagant was representative of the designers of the original rifle, not the factory where they were made. No telling what you can hear or read on the net. It's a great form of media, but sadly it is so easy to put false statements here and most people don't know false from true so they buy into it.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 30,056 Senior Member
    So technically, Remington didn't make the 91/30, but the model 1891. The "30" part is where Commie Russians upgraded the 1891s, long after Westinghouse and Remington quit making them.

    But El Genius needs to do some more research on who Mosin and Nagant wuz before opening his pie-hole on the Internet:nono::nono:

    So, I reckon a Russian company named Nagant made all them 7.62 revolvers too :silly::silly::guns::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:

    And the "Proper" way to pronounce the MNs is MO-seen Nah-GON, I just call mine Mules fer short.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 30,056 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    WHERE did you find this?


    EDIT: Nevermind, I found it.

    I couldn't find that exact place, a link? Although I found some other neat stuff to read about MNs.................
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 9,332 Senior Member
    Remington made a bunch of MNs, never delivered any because of the revolution. They bring a higher price than Russians MNs. But as pointed out, not any 91/30s.

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  • mkk41mkk41 Banned Posts: 1,932 Senior Member
    Gene L wrote: »
    Remington made a bunch of MNs, never delivered any because of the revolution.

    During 1915-1917 Remington produced 840,310 M1891 rifles, of which 131,400 had arrived in Russia by January 1917. In the same period Westinghouse made 770,000 rifles; 225,260 were delivered to Russia by January 1917.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 30,056 Senior Member
    mkk41 wrote: »
    During 1915-1917 Remington produced 840,310 M1891 rifles, of which 131,400 had arrived in Russia by January 1917. In the same period Westinghouse made 770,000 rifles; 225,260 were delivered to Russia by January 1917.

    Have you ever seen any Remington or Westinghouse made ones imported back from Russia on the MILSURP market, I haven't. I reckon they would bring a pretty penny in comparison to the usual run of the mill ones.

    I think I read where a lot of them were sold to American shooters/hunters and some converted as sporters and I wanna say to 30-06 caliber?????

    I vaguely recall an article that stated American servicemen hated the MNs and even left them behind when an exigency force was sent someplace or the other.
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  • wddodgewddodge Senior Member Posts: 941 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Have you ever seen any Remington or Westinghouse made ones imported back from Russia on the MILSURP market, I haven't. I reckon they would bring a pretty penny in comparison to the usual run of the mill ones.

    I think I read where a lot of them were sold to American shooters/hunters and some converted as sporters and I wanna say to 30-06 caliber?????

    I vaguely recall an article that stated American servicemen hated the MNs and even left them behind when an exigency force was sent someplace or the other.

    Last summer at one of the gunshows, a fellow had a Westinghouse built MN that had the square SA stamp in a Finn war time stock. He was asking $400 for it. I'm guessing it really was Finn'd cause it had a really nice trigger on it.

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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 30,056 Senior Member
    wddodge wrote: »
    Last summer at one of the gunshows, a fellow had a Westinghouse built MN that had the square SA stamp in a Finn war time stock. He was asking $400 for it. I'm guessing it really was Finn'd cause it had a really nice trigger on it.

    Denny

    Probably worth the asking price. Who knows what variations of MNs are out there. They surely fit into the "Never Say Never" category.
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  • sarg1csarg1c Senior Member Posts: 1,703 Senior Member
    A local gun shop here at home,selling the M/N's where we all bought our's did let one out. A friend looking through the display of rifles did indeed find one.Had the owner saw it,he would have put a premium on it . I had to get a .303 expander for my Lee Dies ( no charge from Lee)when my die set came with a .308 expander. It did come with the Lee Factory crimp die. My Album has a pic. of my scope arangement. I have done more work on mine since.I removed the box magazine and reshaped the trigger guard, filling in the stock. I,m looking to get a removable clip like the Ruger Scout or leaving it a single shot. (Actually two shot)
  • HondoHondo Member Posts: 320 Member
    There is a shop across the bay in St Pete, FL that has/had some Westinghouse, They made the longer Dragoon rifle. When the Mosin came out the Ruskies simply shortened the barrels on the Dragoons to make Mosin's out of them. I have 2 ex-sniper Mosin's I found. After the war they simply ground off the screw heads of the scope mont screws and finger spliced the stocks to put them back in inventory as regular Mosin's. I think they are neat. They do slug out to .311 barrels. .303 projectiles should work great.
  • ThatMattGuyThatMattGuy Senior Member Posts: 666 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Have you ever seen any Remington or Westinghouse made ones imported back from Russia on the MILSURP market, I haven't. I reckon they would bring a pretty penny in comparison to the usual run of the mill ones.

    I think I read where a lot of them were sold to American shooters/hunters and some converted as sporters and I wanna say to 30-06 caliber?????

    I vaguely recall an article that stated American servicemen hated the MNs and even left them behind when an exigency force was sent someplace or the other.

    I have a really nice Westinghouse Mosin Nagant. I got it when I worked at the pawn shop for $100.00! When I first saw it I knew it was different and bought it right away. When I got home I found out all the cool info on it. Though it does have a couple C.A.I. stamps on it overall it is a very clean rifle.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 30,056 Senior Member
    Hondo wrote: »
    There is a shop across the bay in St Pete, FL that has/had some Westinghouse, They made the longer Dragoon rifle. When the Mosin came out the Ruskies simply shortened the barrels on the Dragoons to make Mosin's out of them. I have 2 ex-sniper Mosin's I found. After the war they simply ground off the screw heads of the scope mont screws and finger spliced the stocks to put them back in inventory as regular Mosin's. I think they are neat. They do slug out to .311 barrels. .303 projectiles should work great.

    I use .303 British bullets to reload for my Russian made MNs. I'm thunking that the US made ones will be closer to 7.62/.308 specs like the Finnish ones and can be fired with .308 diameter bullets, but I really don't know fer sure.

    I have one (of my 6 MNs) called an "Izzy Dragoon" that has the Czarist and Commie markings on it. It was made in 1926, it took them a while to make the transition after their Great Revolution and get everything remarked/marked.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 30,056 Senior Member
    Classic Arms has some pretty nice MNs to choose from. C&R is a must or have them ship it to an FFL. And they have some K-31s and older model Swiss rifles left.

    http://classicarms.us/firearms.htm
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  • mkk41mkk41 Banned Posts: 1,932 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Have you ever seen any Remington or Westinghouse made ones imported back from Russia on the MILSURP market, I haven't. I reckon they would bring a pretty penny in comparison to the usual run of the mill ones.

    Can't say if they came back from Russia , but re-imports have turned up at times. I too have seen Westinghouse rifles with VKT barrels and SA stocks. Probably captured by the Finns during their war with Russia. As was stated , the US bought the remainder of rifles that did not go to Russia to keep Remington from going bankrupt. But not all the rifles went to the DCM/CMP. Many were sent as military aid to various other countries.
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  • 30-30shooter30-30shooter Member Posts: 224 Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    I couldn't find that exact place, a link? Although I found some other neat stuff to read about MNs.................
    http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4780598

    you'll have to scroll to the top.
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  • HakkonenHakkonen Member Posts: 251 Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Classic Arms has some pretty nice MNs to choose from. C&R is a must or have them ship it to an FFL. And they have some K-31s and older model Swiss rifles left.

    http://classicarms.us/firearms.htm
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  • mkk41mkk41 Banned Posts: 1,932 Senior Member
    Hakkonen wrote: »
    What does C&R stand for?

    Curios & Relics. Refers to a type of federal license that allows individuals with such license to buy C&R designated firearms direct and across state lines.

    http://www.atf.gov/publications/firearms/curios-relics/
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    mkk, all I can say is WOW. I am glad we run the trolls off around here, because dealing with all the ones over there can be exhausting....
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