Bigslug wrote: »
One of the cool things about a shotgun shell is the space potential - you can fill that space with any conceivable variation of powder, shot, and wad. Add more of one and one or both of the other two will need to decrease. These combinations can be tweaked to make anything from loads that might kill a field mouse at point blank range, to "no more for me, thanks - I'm drivin'"
You give up a certain amount of that ammo versatility with an autoloader. A pump will run with ANYTHING that is packed into a shell of the correct length, where an autoloader will only run with stuff that's in it's "happy" pressure / recoil zone. It's not that autos are necessarily less reliable, but they are more susceptible to the human error of loading rounds the gun won't like. Just make sure you wring the gun out thoroughly with the ammo you plan to go to war with.
Wambli Ska wrote: »
I'm in love with a Glock
Jayhawker wrote: »
...however, my old 870 trumps all of them...
gunrunner428 wrote: »
Hey Jayhawker, care to share your reasons here? Inquiring minds want to know...
Eli wrote: »
My experience has been pretty opposite of "standard".
The only shotgun that I've ever owned that failed consistently was my 870 express. The action was smooth as butter, until you fired it, then it locked up tighter than a bank vault. On a few occasions, it took holding down the pump release and beating on the forearm itself with a rubber mallet before it would open. I put fifty rounds through it, and it locked up on literally all fifty rounds.
olesniper wrote: »
That don't sound like you're having a failure, it's sounds like you've got a major malfunction, from the get-go.
Bullgator wrote: »
Why is it everyone seems to recommend a pump action shotgun for home defense? Is there something inherently unreliable about auto loaders? We are trusting of auto handguns and carbines, why not shotguns?
JasonMPD wrote: »
The greater than or less than $1000 thing is this. Even if you find a pump on sale for about $450 with decent ghost rings already on it, you still need to invest in a GOOD sling, a light (possibly) and copius amounts of ammunition to train with that will easily breech the $1000 threshold when all said and done.
cpj wrote: »
So in other words, you will also be adding 550 bucks to the price of an auto loader as well.
snake284 wrote: »
As Teach says, I don't think I want to bet my life on one either. They are great for claybird shooting and bird and waterfowl hunting, but when it comes to facing down the BGs I want something that is as close to 100% as possible and that isn't an auto loader shot gun. Of course all of our US battle rifles of recent past and of present are auto loading and most are full auto. But there seems to be something about a shotgun that scares me.
I think it was their track record I saw when I was growing up. Most people called them jama matics back then.