Shooting feral hogs from choppers

JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior MemberPosts: 6,000 Senior Member
I watched a show last night that featured shooting feral hogs from helicopters. Most of the participants were wounded vets, and the whole affair was part of some sort of appreciation for their service to the country. They killed a LOT of pigs, as well as a few coyotes.

I'll have to say, it looked like a hoot. Perhaps the ethics of this is questionable, but I'd do it in a heartbeat if I could. I suspect it cost a pretty penny to do this, and don't know that I want to participate that badly, though.

Anyway, just wondering what others thought of this practice. I think the event was in south Texas, where there's an out of control pig population and hunting them from a chopper is legal.
Jerry

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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 17,915 Senior Member
    Sounds like a gimmick- - - -I wonder what it costs to run that chopper and pay a pilot skillful enough to herd pigs with it? I don't have any concern for the "ethics" of it- - - -feral hogs are sort of overgrown rats that do a lot of crop damage, and probably carry some nasty diseases as well.
    Jerry
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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 16,566 Senior Member
    If it reduces the number of hogs, I'm all for it.

    I've seen some of those shows and/or videos about it, It DOES look like it would be something FUN.
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  • shootbrownelkshootbrownelk Senior Member Posts: 1,969 Senior Member
    I read on another blog that the cost was around $1,700.00 an hour....that's expensive pork!
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 17,915 Senior Member
    That's almost as expensive as the 2 pounds of hamburger I "win" every year at the York shoot!
    Jerry
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  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,174 Senior Member
    I am not sure that is most efficient way but killing is killing. I was told not to long ago that somebody came up with the idea to actually start putting a dent in the pig population in Texas hunters need to kill 4 out of 5 feral they see. The man told me the gestation period was 3 months with and average litter of 8 piglets and females can breed at 6 months. There is even talk about Texas allowing poisoning? I am not much on the idea of introducing a poison into the ecological equation due to the chance it travels down the chain but I guess the Texas Game Wardens have something to do with it and they'd have something going that would help.

    Anyway, with the smaller pig problem even here in NC I don't think it matters if you take out a couple at a time you gotta take out number and if there are guys willing to pay for helicopter hijinks and take out a bunch of Porkys I say have at it!
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  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 6,000 Senior Member
    What was interesting is that the show featuring shooting pigs from choppers was followed by an episode of "Meat Eater". On the "Meat Eater" episode, Steve Rinella was in south Texas, about 8 miles from the Texas-Mexico border with a man who trapped hogs. To date, this guy has trapped nearly 5000 hogs.

    The upshot is that trapping is far more efficient at putting a dent in hog populations than hunting is. Both shows were interesting.
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 17,915 Senior Member
    Trapping reaches a point of diminishing returns pretty quickly as a local population of pigs becomes trap-wise. The young, dumb ones get trapped and removed, and the older ones get smart in a hurry. Then shooting becomes the only option other than poison.
    Jerry
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  • Farm Boy DeuceFarm Boy Deuce Senior Member Posts: 5,878 Senior Member
    The State did some helicopter population control a few miles from my parents a couple years ago. My cousin lived right in the area where this was done. He said the pigs disappeared for all of two weeks.

    Helicopters are way more effective than hunters but it seems the guys who trap an entire sounder and eliminate it would be more effective.
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 9,332 Senior Member
    I don't know if this is true or not, but once before the idea of shooting from an aircraft came up...maybe here, but I don't think so. At any rate, a while back. The laws were very strict about firing from an aircraft at that time. I'm sure exceptions are made, but I doubt it's as simple as renting a chopper without another care in the world.
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  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 7,302 Senior Member
    JerryBobCo wrote: »
    I watched a show last night that featured shooting feral hogs from helicopters. Most of the participants were wounded vets, and the whole affair was part of some sort of appreciation for their service to the country. They killed a LOT of pigs, as well as a few coyotes.

    I'll have to say, it looked like a hoot. Perhaps the ethics of this is questionable, but I'd do it in a heartbeat if I could. I suspect it cost a pretty penny to do this, and don't know that I want to participate that badly, though.

    Anyway, just wondering what others thought of this practice. I think the event was in south Texas, where there's an out of control pig population and Culling them from a chopper is legal.

    FIFY

    Dealing with problem animals like feral hogs, in my view falls into the category of culling. Some, if not all the ethics and rules governing hunting are suspended.

    I agree, with your 'hoot' comment. Having carried out culls from a variety of powered conveyances ( unfortunately not a helicopter though) it is actually harder than most people think. It changes a lot of the variables like holdover and 'lead' etc and is based more on quick reactions and reflexes rather than a 'studied' approach to taking the shot.
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 13,533 Senior Member
    Alec...did not New Zealand ,at sometime in the distant past, resort to culling deer by machine gunning them from the air?
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 9,332 Senior Member
    I knew a LEO in Australia who culled goats from a helicopter. A government thing.
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  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 7,302 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    Alec...did not New Zealand ,at sometime in the distant past, resort to culling deer by machine gunning them from the air?

    Not with machine guns..........semi autos from helicopters.


    This link is to a 4 part doco called Deer Wars which is worth a watch if you have the time............

    https://www.nzonscreen.com/title/deer-wars-2007
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 17,915 Senior Member
    Got a hog problem? Call for a warthog- - - - -A-10 style!
    Jerry
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  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,174 Senior Member
    :agree: or even a nice little Spectre
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 13,533 Senior Member
    orchidman wrote: »
    Not with machine guns..........semi autos from helicopters.


    This link is to a 4 part doco called Deer Wars which is worth a watch if you have the time............

    https://www.nzonscreen.com/title/deer-wars-2007

    Thank you...
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  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 9,357 Senior Member
    jgunpilot flying the helicopter and an M-60 in my hands, where do I sign up?
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 17,915 Senior Member
    I've known a few Huey door gunners who could handle the problem pretty quickly!
    Jerry
    Hide and wail in terror, Eloi- - - -We Morlocks are on the hunt!
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 20,687 Senior Member
    If farmers and ranchers were really serious about getting rid of or lowering the numbers of hogs, they could have never let them get out of hand. But their personal greed ruined it. There's a many a poor boy here that could shoot plenty of hogs if the land owners didn't want a ransom to let people hunt hogs. I $500 a year to hunt them. But you try those numbers on some of our local aristocracy and see how far you get. Yeah, some people will cause some damage because they don't care, but not as much damage as 50 or 100 hogs will cause.

    One thing, I'm strictly against poisoning them. Helicopters are almost as efficient and offer far less risk. I know a guy that uses Golden Malrin Fly Killer to get rid of coons, but he's also killed a few deer and some dogs too.
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  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 6,000 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    If farmers and ranchers were really serious about getting rid of or lowering the numbers of hogs, they could have never let them get out of hand. But their personal greed ruined it. There's a many a poor boy here that could shoot plenty of hogs if the land owners didn't want a ransom to let people hunt hogs. I $500 a year to hunt them. But you try those numbers on some of our local aristocracy and see how far you get. Yeah, some people will cause some damage because they don't care, but not as much damage as 50 or 100 hogs will cause.

    One thing, I'm strictly against poisoning them. Helicopters are almost as efficient and offer far less risk. I know a guy that uses Golden Malrin Fly Killer to get rid of coons, but he's also killed a few deer and some dogs too.

    As long as folks are willing to pay high prices to hunt hogs, so called greedy farmers and ranchers are going to take advantage of it. They're not in business to provide you a place to hunt. Also, there are some (maybe most of them at one time or another) who need the extra income to make through a bad year. You only see one side of the equation.

    I know a woman who owns a ranch in eastern Colorado. She raises cattle, and lives in a very modest house out in the middle of nowhere. Her son is also a rancher, and lives in a house that looks like it wouldn't survive a good puff of wind. The last time I talked to her, she told me that when her husband died, she was $1,000,000 in debt. The myth of rich ranchers is often just that. A myth.

    I know that it sucks to not have a place to hunt because you can't afford it. But, like everything else, there's two sides to this coin.
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 20,687 Senior Member
    JerryBobCo wrote: »
    As long as folks are willing to pay high prices to hunt hogs, so called greedy farmers and ranchers are going to take advantage of it. They're not in business to provide you a place to hunt. Also, there are some (maybe most of them at one time or another) who need the extra income to make through a bad year. You only see one side of the equation.

    I know a woman who owns a ranch in eastern Colorado. She raises cattle, and lives in a very modest house out in the middle of nowhere. Her son is also a rancher, and lives in a house that looks like it wouldn't survive a good puff of wind. The last time I talked to her, she told me that when her husband died, she was $1,000,000 in debt. The myth of rich ranchers is often just that. A myth.

    I know that it sucks to not have a place to hunt because you can't afford it. But, like everything else, there's two sides to this coin.

    Hunting hogs is not the same issue as hunting deer. These are the same people that bitch and moan daily about hogs. Yet when you ask them if you can shoot them to help with their problem they want you to pay them like you were going on African Safari.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
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  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 6,000 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Hunting hogs is not the same issue as hunting deer. These are the same people that bitch and moan daily about hogs. Yet when you ask them if you can shoot them to help with their problem they want you to pay them like you were going on African Safari.

    You're not getting my point. AS LONG AS SOMEONE IS WILLING TO PAY, THEY ARE WILLING TO TAKE THEIR MONEY. It's simple economics. If others stay away in droves, the farmers and ranchers will lower their prices. It's those people who pay a lot of money to hunt hogs that make it so expensive for you.
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 9,332 Senior Member
    Land-poor is a term that has meaning. Don't take part of their income. If someone is willing to pay, someone else is willing to collect.
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  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,174 Senior Member
    As to farmers learning last year one farmer in GA lost over 30% of his peanut crop over night! Apparently hogs don't mess with a peanut until it is just about right and then they plow the field like tractors. They start at one end of a row and root down that row wiping out everything. This year he has already lined up help and has setup small ambush areas he plans the bait 'em in and gun 'me down.
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  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 6,691 Senior Member
    I have no problem with them killing pigs this way
    Ernie

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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 18,961 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Hunting hogs is not the same issue as hunting deer. These are the same people that bitch and moan daily about hogs. Yet when you ask them if you can shoot them to help with their problem they want you to pay them like you were going on African Safari.

    Don't be an ass clown. Make friends.

    I currently have 4 ranchers/farmers that have given me free range to kill the pigs on their places. I help them out and take care of their place, saving them money and gaining a place to hunt in the process. But, it started with an introduction and recommendation from a mutual friend. Then, a friendly meeting and conversation. From there it budded into an acquaintance or friendship and finally, an opportunity.

    When planting season gets in full swing, I have more opportunity than I can shake a stick at.




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  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 36,652 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »




    Because I met people and was personable.
    Well, you fooled the woman you married, so I suppose fooling someone who doesn't have to live under the same roof is child's play in comparison.
    "I'm here for the guns, hunting, and skirt wearing men."
    Zee
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 17,915 Senior Member
    Doesn't shooting hogs from a chopper make it a little hard to aim? Let's hope it's not a hard-tail!

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    Jerry
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 20,687 Senior Member
    Just mount a Ma Deuce between the handle bars...
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 20,687 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    Don't be an ass clown. Make friends.

    I currently have 4 ranchers/farmers that have given me free range to kill the pigs on their places. I help them out and take care of their place, saving them money and gaining a place to hunt in the process. But, it started with an introduction and recommendation from a mutual friend. Then, a friendly meeting and conversation. From there it budded into an acquaintance or friendship and finally, an opportunity.

    When planting season gets in full swing, I have more opportunity than I can shake a stick at.




    Because I met people and was personable.

    Make Friends? Hell I went to school with half of em. They were asshats then too!
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
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