Intervention: How bad do I need a Marlin Guide Gun in .45-70?

ZeeZee Senior MemberPosts: 19,068 Senior Member
I already have a 20" .458 Win Mag hand loaded with 500gr RNSP that make me want to cry and 300gr HPFP that are comfortable to shoot and screaming in velocity.

Do do I really "need" the Marlin?

Temptation is calling. Save me!!!
"To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
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  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 37,050 Senior Member
    Meh.
    But I'm not a lever gun fan.
    "I'm here for the guns, hunting, and skirt wearing men."
    Zee
  • shotgunshooter3shotgunshooter3 Senior Member Posts: 5,264 Senior Member
    Do it. I intend to ultimately buy a Marlin .45-70. My desire is to recreate the gun used in Jurassic World.


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  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 6,581 Senior Member
    There is no hope! Just give in, it's a lever gun!!
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 25,392 Senior Member
    Do you HAVE one? No? Then you NEED one... Duhhhhhh...
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  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 37,050 Senior Member
    The boy needs a .243 of his own, built as a father son project, before you need a 45-70.
    "I'm here for the guns, hunting, and skirt wearing men."
    Zee
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 19,068 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    The boy needs a .243 of his own, built as a father son project, before you need a 45-70.

    Dude, no matter how much I plan and scheme, the boy is gonna get my .243 Medium he has been using this year. I know it. I've given myself to that reality. Therefore, why build another for him? If anything, I should be getting MYSELF another .243 Winchester!!! He killed 5 deer with it this year!!! It ain't mine no more!!!!
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 13,633 Senior Member
    No help here....IMHO the .45-70 version is a far better choice than the .450 Marlin version. Even with the ported barrel it's one of the most unpleasant guns I have ever fired...all due I am sure to the overall ergonomics of the package. The .45-70 on the other hand (and based on my experience with my 1895) is very manageable. In the end...you need one if only to post a video of you whacking a piggy with a 405 grain hard cast lrnfp. Dooo it.....
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  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 5,145 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    Dude, no matter how much I plan and scheme, the boy is gonna get my .243 Medium he has been using this year. I know it. I've given myself to that reality. Therefore, why build another for him? If anything, I should be getting MYSELF another .243 Winchester!!! He killed 5 deer with it this year!!! It ain't mine no more!!!!
    Just get your 45-70 levergun! You already lost one rifle :wink: Pick up and hold an 1886 Winchester before you pull the figurative trigger.
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 197 Member
    Someday I will have a big boy levergun. For now I just have a weak .44 Magnum levergun...

    You should pick one up for feral pig ballistics testing as Jayhawker has suggested.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 21,912 Senior Member
    You been around this crazy place long enough to know that 'need' is never the operative word. 'WANT!' is the operative word. You WANT one and should satisfy that craving post haste before it causes you to pull a double, and buy TWO lever actions! :roll2:
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  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    I like the 1885 Highwall and Springfield Trapdoor replicas better.
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • LMLarsenLMLarsen Senior Member Posts: 8,160 Senior Member
    Can't help you, hermano. I love my 1886 Extra Light, the original guide gun.
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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 19,068 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    You been around this crazy place long enough to know that 'need' is never the operative word. 'WANT!' is the operative word. You WANT one and should satisfy that craving post haste before it causes you to pull a double, and buy TWO lever actions! :roll2:

    But I WANT many guns. So, the order of acquisition is more appropriately asked. I "want" a .50 cal revolver. I "want" a .45-70 rifle.

    Which do I "need" first?
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 30,650 Senior Member
    Get it. I bought an 1895 Marlin 45-70 just because it was on clearance fer half price............I didn't "Need" it and have absolutely no practical use for it and spent most of what I saved on brass/bullets/powder and dies. I kinda wanted a 45-70 fer years, no particular reason besides they are just cool as all get out.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 19,068 Senior Member
    I know I "need/want" a .45-70 rifle.

    Question is.........is the Guide Gun the one I should go with?
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,043 Senior Member
    What's cool about the 45-70 is that it can be loaded from mild to wild depending on the rifle. The Marlin is just under the Ruger #1 and #3 on the level of loads that it can handle. I've pressed Springfield level loàds with a 350gr bullet at a little over 800fps up to a 405gr bullet at 2100fps which is knocking on 458win mag territory. (And it wasn't even a max load). That one was out of my 26" 1895.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
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  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 9,465 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    I know I "need/want" a .45-70 rifle.

    Question is.........is the Guide Gun the one I should go with?

    The Guide Gun is the one you want.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,043 Senior Member
    CHIRO1989 wrote: »
    The Guide Gun is the one you want.

    This if you plan on walking any distance with it. I bought my 1895CB first and I'll never sell it but my guide gun is easier to carry for a while and the extra 8" of barrel isn't really necessary unless you want to dabble with high energy loads. (I see where this is gonna go.)
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • WeatherbyWeatherby Senior Member Posts: 4,365 Senior Member
    Nope the platform you want is a Ruger #1
  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 37,050 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    Dude, no matter how much I plan and scheme, the boy is gonna get my .243 Medium he has been using this year. I know it. I've given myself to that reality. Therefore, why build another for him? If anything, I should be getting MYSELF another .243 Winchester!!! He killed 5 deer with it this year!!! It ain't mine no more!!!!

    Not if you build him one, you ninny!
    "I'm here for the guns, hunting, and skirt wearing men."
    Zee
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 17,976 Senior Member
    My Ruger #1 .45-70 with the octagon barrel and the express sights is a lot of fun to shoot, and with a pretty warm load it will sort of back you out from under your hat! I'm going to work up a powder puff load with cast bullets for plinking, and save the jacketed softpoints for stuff that "really needs killin"! I'm also thinking about letting a .45-90 reamer fall in there while I'm not looking! With the rimmed case, I should still be able to shoot the shorter rounds with mouse fart loads.
    Jerry
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  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,534 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    But I WANT many guns. So, the order of acquisition is more appropriately asked. I "want" a .50 cal revolver. I "want" a .45-70 rifle.

    Which do I "need" first?

    You need the .500 everyone should own a boarder line stupid revolver. I love mine.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 13,633 Senior Member
    CHIRO1989 wrote: »
    The Guide Gun is the one you want.

    Unless you can find a 1895CB ..... However unlikely that might be...

    AND...whatever you get..lose that dumb ass cross bolt safety....
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 9,413 Senior Member
    Not me. If you want a 45-70, go for a 1895 Marlin. My bud had a Guide Gun with the ported barrel, which he got rid of...it was a bad gun with tremendous blast with bad checkering. If you want a 45-70, I'd recommend the 1895. But I think it would be interesting to interrogate your reasons as to why such a thumper. I had a 1895 for a brief period of time, about 4 years, and while it was a great rifle, I being a non-thumper fan, didn't like it. I'm a recoil wimp.

    But if you don't mind a lot of recoil you could do worse than the Guide Gun, I guess.
    Not too many problems you can't fix
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 21,912 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    But I WANT many guns. So, the order of acquisition is more appropriately asked. I "want" a .50 cal revolver. I "want" a .45-70 rifle.

    Which do I "need" first?

    Do both and get yelled at once. WIN-WIN!!!!!!!!!!! :rotflmao:
    Non Sibi Sed Patriage (Not for self, but country)



  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    Some outfit in Alaska, Wildwest guns or something like that customise Marlins to 500 S&W. Matching Sixgun/ rifle etc., blah blah blah.
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 20,833 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    I already have a 20" .458 Win Mag hand loaded with 500gr RNSP that make me want to cry and 300gr HPFP that are comfortable to shoot and screaming in velocity.

    Do do I really "need" the Marlin?

    Temptation is calling. Save me!!!

    I would like to build a 45-70 on a P-14 action. It has a big bolt face already and it's a really strong action.
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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,068 Senior Member
    Yes. You need to get one.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
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  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 6,617 Senior Member
    Well. . .my old man's disease has been passed down, and I'm going to try to kill a deer with a .45-70 this year before the lead bullet window closes here in Cali. The round is a lot of fun and can be VERY accurate - you just have to accept that without a lot of really careful rangefinding and sight doping, it's a 150-200 yard proposition. Nice thing about a Guide Gun is that's the kind of thing it's FOR - it has no illusions of Quigleyness

    Also nice is that you don't HAVE to load them smokin' hot - we don't have BISON in our petunias today largely because of 1200 fps black powder cartridges. You can trade speed and pain for simple momentum. There's very little in the lower half of the lower 48 that formula won't solve.

    I'm not a huge fan of the Guide simply because of the straight wrist stock. On something that has the potential to BOOM, I want a pistol grip type stock that I can properly pull back on as is on the standard 1895.

    You can of course download a .458 and have better stock geometry for when you do amp it up
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member Posts: 5,344 Senior Member
    You need a 45-70. Guide gun? Cowboy?
    I'm not much help. I have both!
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