Do you trust the DOJ and FBI?

JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior MemberPosts: 6,040 Senior Member
I know. Silly question.

For me, it's a no brainer. The answer is no and no. Both agencies are so full of leftover loyalists to the Obama administration that I don't trust them to be fair and impartial. That being said, I do believe that a lot of the rank and file of both are honest and hard working, but by the time a report gets to the top, it's been 'filtered' to say whatever the higher officials want it to.

Look no further than Robert Mueller. He was the FBI director when the Uranium One deal was occurring. He either knew what was going on and chose to look the other way, which makes him complicit, or didn't know, which makes him incompetent. Either way, he doesn't seem interested in looking in that direction but would rather try to find dirt on Donald Trump.
Jerry

Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,068 Senior Member
    Our country was set up on distrusting the govt. that is why we have separation of powers and 3 branches with no side having all the power.

    Distrust of Govt is patriotic.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 25,378 Senior Member
    I believe that government agencies in general have discovered they do a LOT better during liberal president administrations. They get to bend law and regulation at will with impunity and grow their sizes to ungodly proportions so when someone comes along that threatens to disrupt these activities they will do whatever they can to screw them while protecting the ones that have been good too them...
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 6,040 Senior Member
    I'm going to take the last two responses as definite NOs.
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 16,785 Senior Member
    JerryBobCo wrote: »
    I'm going to take the last two responses as definite NOs.
    And you can now make it "the last 3"

    I am more of a libertarian than anything else, and I think Fedgov being cut by 1/3-1/2 would only be a good START on what this country needs
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,225 Senior Member
    What branch of any law enforcement ... or even government period do I trust? None ... there is always room for abuse of power and corruption. Heck, back in the 70’s my great uncle was Sheriff in our county and I remember how he would let the little guy run a still in their back 40 with no hassle until around Thanksgiving when his department would raid a few and seize the liquor as evidence ... didn’t bust the pot or cut up the coil ... just disassembled it, took the liquor and dropped the charges a couple weeks later. That liquor was given away and made excellent eggnog. At the Federal level there is a million times more room for abuse so Hell No I don’t trust those 2 agencies.
    “The further a society drifts from truth ... the more it will hate those who speak it."
    - George Orwell
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 25,378 Senior Member
    JerryBobCo wrote: »
    I'm going to take the last two responses as definite NOs.
    Ok, to make myself clearer. I believe that the majority of the people in both organizations, as well as the BATF, FBI, DHS and others do a great job within the guidelines. I also believe that as agencies they perform needed services that as a whole are very beneficial to the country.

    I also believe that there is a fast growing number of political hacks in positions of authority that screw it up for everyone and that folks like Loretta Lynch and Eric Holder have cause irreparable damage within the organizations and in the perception of the general public which is a huge shame for the guys trying to do it right everyday.
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 9,763 Senior Member
    After 8 years of the Obama administration, no government agency can be trusted until it proves otherwise. That means that the FBI must successfully indict and convict people connected to the government who corrupted the various departments. The DOJ, under Obama, Holder, Lynch selectively investigated political opponents for illegalities, while turning a blind eye towards their own party. They lied to the public and more importantly, to Congress, which is illegal. The IRS got away with targeting conservatives, the AG got away with lying to Congress and general abuse of power, and Hilary Clinton got away with everything.

    When the current AG starts prosecuting politicians and getting convictions, then I'll believe that the DOJ is going back to work for the public...and not until. I am sick to death of years long investigations that yield no significant prosecutions. And I'm also sick of investigative bodies like the FBI assuming the power to establish 'intent.' Their job is to gather the facts of what happened and recommend prosecution based on whether criminal action took place. The AG can work out what the intent was when the defense challenges on that basis. Let the defense prove that intent did not exist, rather than the prosecution proving that it did and laying it all out for teams of lawyers to pick to pieces.
  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    I'll let you know when I finish reading the Warren Report.:p
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 37,044 Senior Member
    I place the same amount of trust in any govco group as I do a fart after eating Taco Bell washed down with cheap beer.
    "I'm here for the guns, hunting, and skirt wearing men."
    Zee
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 12,600 Senior Member
    Do I trust them to do what?

    Like JerryBobCo, I think the rank and file are doing their jobs as best they can. It's in the upper ranks, where things are way more political, that I have trust issues.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,006 Senior Member
    The working types, sure. The bureaucrats and politicians, hell no.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 6,580 Senior Member
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  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 7,448 Senior Member
    knitepoet wrote: »
    And you can now make it "the last 3"

    I am more of a libertarian than anything else, and I think Fedgov being cut by 1/3-1/2 would only be a good START on what this country needs

    Being one of those workers, i can say your percentage would cripple our Gov. But, big cuts off the top is what is needed. There are way to many GS-13/14/15s out there and half the SESs could be cut with no long term ill effects
    Cutting all the clerks and mechanics and such is not the answer either. Way too many in the highest levels that do little in a day
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,489 Senior Member
    The FBI is a mess. The rep it earned under Hoover has been lost. Trump needs to find another hard-driving, crime-busting transvestite like J. Edgar was, and put him in charge. With a no-nonsense cross-dresser at the helm, happy days will be here again.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 15,651 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    Being one of those workers, i can say your percentage would cripple our Gov.

    It needs to be crippled. Reduction by half wouldn't have to hurt anything but those on the teat in one fashion or another.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    Carry a 25 if it makes you feel good, but do not ever load it. If you load it, you may shoot it. If you shoot it, you may hit somebody, and if you hit somebody – and he finds out about it – he may be very angry with you. --Jeff Cooper
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 7,448 Senior Member
    Zorba, i sure dont consider what me and co workers do being on the teat. Those appointed to 130K a year jobs to hold dinners and coffees are
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 15,651 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    Zorba, i sure dont consider what me and co workers do being on the teat. Those appointed to 130K a year jobs to hold dinners and coffees are

    I have no idea what you do. All I know is the gov't is entirely too large by AT LEAST an order of magnitude. A 50% cutback wouldn't affect anything worth caring about, and would be a good start to getting rid of a lot of crap we don't need, don't want, can't use, and didn't ask for.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    Carry a 25 if it makes you feel good, but do not ever load it. If you load it, you may shoot it. If you shoot it, you may hit somebody, and if you hit somebody – and he finds out about it – he may be very angry with you. --Jeff Cooper
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,386 Senior Member
    I do NOT trust ANY government agency. DOJ, FBI, IRS, NSA, CIA, DOE, FED.....ad nauseum.
    Political correctness is a liberal degrading of the freedom of speech. George Orwell's 1984 famously incorporated the notion of limiting thought through language (see Newspeak)." Meanwhile, the beatings will continue until morale improves around here.
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,041 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    All I know is the gov't is entirely too large by AT LEAST an order of magnitude. A 50% cutback wouldn't affect anything worth caring about, and would be a good start to getting rid of a lot of crap we don't need, don't want, can't use, and didn't ask for.


    In the real world, it's not that simple. Sure, government needs to be cut a lot but as Ron said, the cuts need to be taken from the top. Most government agencies are top heavy with management but the cuts always seem to be taken from the working side of the agencies. I'd like to see this administration create a group that does nothing but sift through every one of the thousands of different government agencies and departments and do some major house cleaning.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 15,651 Senior Member
    Fisheadgib wrote: »
    In the real world, it's not that simple. Sure, government needs to be cut a lot but as Ron said, the cuts need to be taken from the top. Most government agencies are top heavy with management but the cuts always seem to be taken from the working side of the agencies. I'd like to see this administration create a group that does nothing but sift through every one of the thousands of different government agencies and departments and do some major house cleaning.

    I agree it needs to taken from the top - BUT - entire agencies could be eliminated.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    Carry a 25 if it makes you feel good, but do not ever load it. If you load it, you may shoot it. If you shoot it, you may hit somebody, and if you hit somebody – and he finds out about it – he may be very angry with you. --Jeff Cooper
  • Green Mtn. BoyGreen Mtn. Boy New Member Posts: 34 Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    Our country was set up on distrusting the govt. that is why we have separation of powers and 3 branches with no side having all the power.

    Distrust of Govt is patriotic.

    This! GMB
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 4,092 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    I agree it needs to taken from the top - BUT - entire agencies could be eliminated.


    Most could be eliminated. They have convinced us we need their “services”.

    Both sides defend their favorite agencies and can’t imagine America without them.

    The result is never ending expansion.
    The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.

    Ayn Rand
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 15,651 Senior Member
    CaliFFL wrote: »
    Most could be eliminated. They have convinced us we need their “services”.

    Both sides defend their favorite agencies and can’t imagine America without them.

    The result is never ending expansion.

    Yeppers!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    Carry a 25 if it makes you feel good, but do not ever load it. If you load it, you may shoot it. If you shoot it, you may hit somebody, and if you hit somebody – and he finds out about it – he may be very angry with you. --Jeff Cooper
  • shootbrownelkshootbrownelk Senior Member Posts: 1,979 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    I agree it needs to taken from the top - BUT - entire agencies could be eliminated.

    What Zorba said. FBI/BATFE could be combined and others eliminated.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 13,631 Senior Member
    I just had an interesting conversation with a person who knows a person who has been tasked with "draining the swamp" at EPA..She identified 40 people who were "tele-working" who had not logged in for work for more than a year...all making $150K a year.....Pleased to announce that all are now members of the ranks of the unemployed...

    When it comes to DOJ... I had the opportunity to interact with some Obama era U.S. attorneys in trying to prosecute a guy who did a bomb threat with a fake device on Federal property....during the interaction with several of these people, I discovered that they tend to cherry pick their cases and only get involved if it will look good on their resume...in spite of the fact that criminals walk....without a doubt why less than 1% of the cases of people lying on their 4473s ever get prosecuted...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 16,785 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    Cutting all the clerks and mechanics and such is not the answer either. Way too many in the highest levels that do little in a day
    Ron, for most of my life, I've heard that described as, "Too many chiefs and not enough indians"

    Some gov't actually does some good, but when you get to, "the third under secretary of diaper changes" it's gone just a wee bit far.
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 7,448 Senior Member
    knitepoet wrote: »
    Ron, for most of my life, I've heard that described as, "Too many chiefs and not enough indians"

    Some gov't actually does some good, but when you get to, "the third under secretary of diaper changes" it's gone just a wee bit far.

    No argument from me.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 12,600 Senior Member
    knitepoet wrote: »
    Ron, for most of my life, I've heard that described as, "Too many chiefs and not enough indians"

    Some gov't actually does some good, but when you get to, "the third under secretary of diaper changes" it's gone just a wee bit far.
    As I've said before - the big problem is with the politically appointed jobs. Which pay highest. Line animals tend to just do their jobs, in my experience.

    Sent from my SM-S907VL using Tapatalk
    Overkill is underrated.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 21,895 Senior Member
    Nope, nope, nopety nope. Don't trust the FBI, DOJ, BATFEIEIO, Homeland Insecurity, or any other government LE. Don't trust Congress be it House or Senate, don't trust the Supreme Court, and have very little trust in the Executive branch. Too many in the Executive Branch are working at cross purposes right now to derail the President.

    Need gallows and guillotines set up along the length of the Reflecting Pool to take care of the traitors. Be a full time job for a while. :roll2:
    Non Sibi Sed Patriage (Not for self, but country)



  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 12,600 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    When it comes to DOJ... I had the opportunity to interact with some Obama era U.S. attorneys in trying to prosecute a guy who did a bomb threat with a fake device on Federal property....during the interaction with several of these people, I discovered that they tend to cherry pick their cases and only get involved if it will look good on their resume...in spite of the fact that criminals walk....without a doubt why less than 1% of the cases of people lying on their 4473s ever get prosecuted...
    I don't know how it is in other areas, but around here the prosecutors for the state and even county can pick and choose their own cases. Which is why some folks run for Attorney General and boast a 95%+ conviction record: easy to get a high rate if you choose the low-hanging fruit.
    Overkill is underrated.
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