Where's the outrage for Sen Al Franken (D)?

knitepoetknitepoet Senior MemberPosts: 16,584 Senior Member
This isn't a "she says, he says" There's at least 1 photograph, and franken has already issued an apology admitting he did it. (to be funny:roll: )

So, where's the outrage? The demands he step down?

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Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


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  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,527 Senior Member
    One photograph of what exactly? You cant even tell if he touched her.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 16,584 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    One photograph of what exactly? You cant even tell if he touched her.
    Then why would he issue an apology, admitting he'd done it?
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 16,584 Senior Member
    Mr. Franken, who has been mentioned as a possible presidential candidate, almost immediately released an apology to the newscaster, Leeann Tweeden, who said that Mr. Franken forcibly kissed her during a rehearsal and groped her for a photo as she slept. After initially apologizing without fully acknowledging all of her accusations, he then released another lengthier, more contrite statement that contested nothing.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/16/us/politics/al-franken-sexual-harassment-groping-forcible-kissing.html
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    I think it will be coming. He's guilty as the red handed butcher. He'll be gone by this time next week I think.
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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 8,971 Senior Member
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  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,527 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »

    Now that picture I have not seen.
    I wonder if she has a landing strip or the conventional jungle? Gentleman we need a volunteer.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 8,971 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    Now that picture I have not seen.
    I wonder if she has a landing strip or the conventional jungle? Gentleman we need a volunteer.

    giphy.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
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  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 6,217 Senior Member
    Hes a D at the moment, you could have video of him doing underage porn and nothing would happen.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 21,503 Senior Member
    The proletariat elects the politicians they deserve. The ones that elected Franken deserve that steaming stick of dog excrement.
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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 8,971 Senior Member
    Hes a D at the moment, you could have video of him doing underage porn and nothing would happen.

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  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 6,003 Senior Member
    I heard last night that he (Franken, that is) is being investigated by the Senate Ethics committee.

    Isn't Senate Ethics an oxymoron?
    Jerry

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  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,298 Senior Member
    Al Franken a possible presidential candidate? Good grief, if that happened it would mean that America had gone to Berzerkistan!
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  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 25,059 Senior Member
    Moore: Allegations without evidence. No pictures, no sworn statements.
    Mitch McConnell: I believe the allegations are true and he should leave the race.

    Franken: We have a PICTURES and he acknowledges it DID happen!!!!!
    Mitch McConnell: We need to investigate.

    Exactly who is this idiot working for?!?!?!?!?!?
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 8,971 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Exactly who is this idiot working for?!?!?!?!?!?

    The swamp


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  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 6,217 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
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    You forgot Kennedy and Chris Dodd
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 6,217 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »


    That almost took me out.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 25,059 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    The swamp



    SOOOOO freaking true...
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • roadkingroadking Senior Member Posts: 3,049 Senior Member
    She accepted his apology, and claims she didn't want to ruin him, also she doesn't want him to step down...WTH?
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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 7,792 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Moore: Allegations without evidence. No pictures, no sworn statements.
    Mitch McConnell: I believe the allegations are true and he should leave the race.

    Franken: We have a PICTURES and he acknowledges it DID happen!!!!!
    Mitch McConnell: We need to investigate.

    Exactly who is this idiot working for?!?!?!?!?!?

    Actually I think he's way smarter than you think.

    Franken took a stupid photo that was obviously a joke (the look on his face is definitely "isn't this funny" not titillation), a very bad and inappropriate one that is rightfully being criticized. He also kissed someone he was working with during rehearsal, admittedly apparently in a creepy way and with begrudging or coerced consent. None of this behavior is ok. It's not. But if this becomes the standard by which any public figure must immediately step down, you open pandora's box.

    I think if democrats were smart they should have sacrificed Franken at the alter. They have a Democratic governor in MN who could appoint a successor. They also probably benefit if the behavior Franken is accused of is deemed enough to force a politician out, especially if it's done by force with a full chorus of Republican voices behind it. There are over a dozen accusers plus the access Hollywood tapes on Trump. How can McConnell go on record and call for Franken's resignation and NOT similarly call for articles of impeachment against the president? What other politicians have ever kissed someone without full consent?

    Now as for Moore, again the content of the accusations matters. If we instead set a precedent of disproving of or removing politicians who have been credibly accused of spending their Friday and Saturday nights in their 30's cruising shopping malls (or wherever teens hang out) actively approaching and hitting on them and trying to date and possibly assault them to the point that they are banned from spending time in that location, then I think probably only 5-10% of politicians will be in danger vs. 90-99%.

    tl;dr - creepily kissing a coworker during rehearsal for a scene with a kiss - bad. Creepily hitting on underage teen girls and possibly assaulting at least one - awful. The question is where are people comfortably drawing the line, knowing that once it's drawn it will be hard to undraw and will apply equally to both sides going forward.
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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 4,959 Senior Member
    The question is where are people comfortably drawing the line, knowing that once it's drawn it will be hard to undraw and will apply equally to both sides going forward.

    How about starting with admitted, proven behavior compared to unproven accusations.
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  • john9001john9001 Senior Member Posts: 668 Senior Member
    Mitch McConnell is the RINO poster boy. I think McConnell wants the democrats in control of the Senate, then he will have a excuse not to pass laws that upstart outsider Trump wants.

    The swamp be dark and deep and full of evil creatures.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 6,217 Senior Member
    tl;dr - creepily kissing a coworker during rehearsal for a scene with a kiss - bad. Creepily hitting on underage teen girls and possibly assaulting at least one - awful. The question is where are people comfortably drawing the line, knowing that once it's drawn it will be hard to undraw and will apply equally to both sides going forward.

    One is unproven actions with no proof, the other is admitted actions with proof. Both are harassment, in Frankens case it is actual provable unwanted touching. Even the accusers of Moore say that he knew what the word no meant.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • shootbrownelkshootbrownelk Senior Member Posts: 1,969 Senior Member
    Why doesn't someone mention "Feel-em-Up" Joe Biden. There is video evidence of Biden groping young girls and women. Bill Clinton is strangely silent about any of these accusations. He's had multiple accusers, and a couple of them accused him of rape. Teflon Democrats.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,298 Senior Member
    ...............He also kissed someone he was working with during rehearsal, admittedly apparently in a creepy way and with begrudging or coerced consent......................

    I believe the woman that he's feeling up is the same person he forced himself on with kissing...... Leeann Tweeden.
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  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 6,003 Senior Member
    I believe the woman that he's feeling up is the same person he forced himself on with kissing...... Leeann Tweeden.

    That's correct. I listed to an interview with Leeann on one of the Fox News shows, and that is what she said. Franken admits to the grope photo (what else can he do), but claims he doesn't remember the backstage kiss.
    Jerry

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  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 6,217 Senior Member
    It doesnt matter. He will not be ousted. All of the feministia that went after Bob Packwood will be quiet as mice because Franken bears the D of security.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 25,059 Senior Member
    Actually I think he's way smarter than you think.

    Franken took a stupid photo that was obviously a joke (the look on his face is definitely "isn't this funny" not titillation), a very bad and inappropriate one that is rightfully being criticized...
    I think this is where the generational gap shows clearly. If someone had his picture taken doing that to my daughter, wife, niece, girlfriend or sister they could show it in front of their coffin when they buried what was left of him when I’m done...
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 7,792 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    I think this is where the generational gap shows clearly. If someone had his picture taken doing that to my daughter, wife, niece, girlfriend or sister they could show it in front of their coffin when they buried what was left of him when I’m done...
    The true key if it is a generational or partisan divide is where you come down of David HW Cop-a-feel. That is the closest direct comparison both including severity of actions, proof, and admission of guilt. Obviously HW no longer holds any political office so can't be forced out and frankly I seriously doubt anyone would have called for his impeachment if this behavior came to light while he was in office or before (and there as at least one person who claims he did it while in office).
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  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 25,059 Senior Member
    The true key if it is a generational or partisan divide is where you come down of David HW Cop-a-feel. That is the closest direct comparison both including severity of actions, proof, and admission of guilt. Obviously HW no longer holds any political office so can't be forced out and frankly I seriously doubt anyone would have called for his impeachment if this behavior came to light while he was in office or before (and there as at least one person who claims he did it while in office).
    Actually I never posted asking for anyone's impeachment, not sure how we got there. I posted pointing out the stupidity in the differences in response to the two incidents by the so called "leader" who I consider an inadequate moron... Personally I think this type of behavior requires an up close and personal physical response from the males close to the injured party, and not some feigned political indignation by the panty waisted politicians looking only to make hay...
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 20,704 Senior Member
    john9001 wrote: »
    Mitch McConnell is the RINO poster boy. I think McConnell wants the democrats in control of the Senate, then he will have a excuse not to pass laws that upstart outsider Trump wants.

    The swamp be dark and deep and full of evil creatures.

    That is no joke.
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