Full sporterized 1903?

MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior MemberPosts: 4,341 Senior Member
What is the consensus of going all the way to a full sporter from a partially sporterized 1903A3....if you were never going to get rid of it? Its in a sporter stock, has an aftermarket safety and trigger. I really don't see myself using it as is.... but it was my brothers rifle, so its not going anywhere.

I'm thinking either leave it untapped and put a new barrel in it, or D&T + new barrel. I'm just likely to keep it in the safe if I don't change anything.... and an unused rifle just seems.... sad. I have ZERO interest in original configuration military rifles, btw.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 20,866 Senior Member
    What is the consensus of going all the way to a full sporter from a partially sporterized 1903A3....if you were never going to get rid of it? Its in a sporter stock, has an aftermarket safety and trigger. I really don't see myself using it as is.... but it was my brothers rifle, so its not going anywhere.

    I'm thinking either leave it untapped and put a new barrel in it, or D&T + new barrel. I'm just likely to keep it in the safe if I don't change anything.... and an unused rifle just seems.... sad. I have ZERO interest in original configuration military rifles, btw.

    If it's been partiallly Sporterized it is no longer original So ? Build what you want and don't look back!
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  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,341 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    If it's been partiallly Sporterized it is no longer original So ? Build what you want and don't look back!

    Well they're not like mausers... where all the parts are numbered to match. So no idea if its original
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  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 6,617 Senior Member
    My attitude on old military is that if they were irrevocably sporterized back in the day, go to town on them, as they can be very neat. If they can be taken back to something like original configuration with minimal grief (which you can fairly readily do on an 03A3 when nothing but the receiver is numbered and there are a lot of spare parts out there), that's a lot more interesting to ME - the world is full of new rifles and they're still making new ones; there's a finite supply of vintage U.S. military, and once you drill holes, there's no going back. Short version - you have to assess those half-completed sporter jobs as they come to you.

    My inclination would be to build something period-styled & classy on it. No sense in building it into something you could just as easily go out and buy.

    And your reason for keeping it - - at some point in the reconstruction process, there won't be much of your brother's rifle left. You might give some thought as to what he'd have done with it, if he had your level of drive for such things.
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  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 37,099 Senior Member
    What bigslug said, about your brother would have done with it. Do that.
    As far as cutting up a classic, I've no qualms about it. Other than if I could sell it for a good amount of cash, and build something else. Otherwise, break out the angle grinder and torch.
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  • AntonioAntonio Senior Member Posts: 2,107 Senior Member
    I'd return it to original configuration as a fun project (Not a fan of sporterized milsurps) but since you already stated that it's out of the question, unless you really need it for a specific use other than the occasional range trip, I'd leave it as you got it from your brother.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 20,866 Senior Member
    Well they're not like mausers... where all the parts are numbered to match. So no idea if its original

    Yes and when assembled correctly and fitted with a proper barrel chambered in the cartridge of your choice it will make a beautiful hunting rifle. So what's not to love?

    I always wanted a nice 03-A3 Sporter. Not an 03, that's sacrelige, however you spell that. I think there should be a law against Bubbaing or attempting to Bubba any 03 Springfield, but 03-A3s don't hold the same mystique. SGT York's Rifle should be held in reverence.
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  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 4,147 Senior Member
    . I have ZERO interest in original configuration military rifles, btw.

    Since you have no interest in original Mil. rifles, i would build it into something you can use, I have an A3 I built in the mid 60s, it has a McGowen 22" barrel chambered for 30-06, drilled and tapped for a Buehler scope mount and rings and safety, Jaeger trigger, aluminum M-70 style quick release floor plate, and a Bishop stock with rosewood forend, grip cap and 20LPI checkering, pillar bedded. when Gentry come out with his M-70 3 position safety's I installed one. It still wears its original Weatherby 4X scope. To this day it is one of my favorite rifles. Accuracy is still 5 into 1 1/4" @ 100yds. with handloads.

    JAY
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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 16,827 Senior Member
    When it comes to milsurps, my thought is, unless it's something EXTREMELY rare, or in pristine condition, go wild with it, if that's what you want to do.

    Now then, being something you inherited from Steve. That brings another facet.
    Leave it as he built it, and never use it because you're not wild about it? Vs. changing it from his preferred configuration, into something you WILL use.

    That's a call you're going to have to make for yourself.
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  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,341 Senior Member
    Bigslug,

    If I do something with it, I'll keep it untapped. It has a nice peep sight on it. Style wise, something along the lines of old Griffin & Howe 1903's, to be period correct.
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  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 6,617 Senior Member
    Bigslug,

    If I do something with it, I'll keep it untapped. It has a nice peep sight on it. Style wise, something along the lines of old Griffin & Howe 1903's, to be period correct.

    Sounds like clip fed launch platform for 200 grain cast bullets to me!
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 17,979 Senior Member
    Be aware of a couple of gremlins involved in any serious modifications to an 03- - - -first, the entire receiver is hard as woodpecker lips. Just drilling and tapping for scope mounts involves using a solid carbide drill bit and there's an extreme danger of breaking off a tap while threading. Second, the barrel has a SQUARE (not ACME) thread, so it takes a really accomplished machinist to turn a thread on a barrel blank. The original barrel has a cone breech which is very tricky to machine, but most rebarrel jobs eliminate that feature- - -it's not really necessary, and machining the cone for extractor clearance is a PITA. The 2-piece firing pin isn't the best idea, but I believe there are some aftermarket items available that improve lock time. I'd MUCH rather work with a Mauser than an 03. Once the barreled action is assembled and chambered, the restocking process is pretty straightforward. Have fun!
    Jerry
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  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,341 Senior Member
    Jerry,

    No drilling on this one. My other 03 was purchased drilled when I bought it. That's the one I bought a few months back for $150
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  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,341 Senior Member
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  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,341 Senior Member
    Bigslug wrote: »
    Sounds like clip fed launch platform for 200 grain cast bullets to me!

    400 gr sound mo betta'
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  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 37,099 Senior Member
    Other than losing that ugly ass sling and the dingus pouch on the stock, I'd just add ammo and shoot.
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    Zee
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 1,631 Senior Member
    I agree with Jay. If changing it will get it shooting for you, do it. I doubt your brother would want it to be a safe queen. You'll think of him more when you're shooting it, so mod it and enjoy.

    Also I have similar experiences like Teach. Steel on those and similar Mausers are incredibly hard. Plan on breaking bits.
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  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,341 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Other than losing that ugly ass sling and the dingus pouch on the stock, I'd just add ammo and shoot.

    Those are not my personal touches.....

    Steve seemed to think he'd need dozens of extra cartridges while hunting
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 9,421 Senior Member
    I think it looks fine. I'd work on that schnable a bit and get someone to checker the stock and you'll have a fine rifle.

    Edit: check the serial number. It could be a low number rifle, if it's a Springfield Armory rifle anything below 800,000 is low number. Yours appears as a 400,000.
    Not too many problems you can't fix
    With a 1911 and a 30-06
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,341 Senior Member
    Gene L wrote: »
    I think it looks fine. I'd work on that schnable a bit and get someone to checker the stock and you'll have a fine rifle.

    The Schnaebel stock one is the one I bought cheap a few months ago, not the one that was Steve's.
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 9,421 Senior Member
    Read my edit above.
    Not too many problems you can't fix
    With a 1911 and a 30-06
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,341 Senior Member
    Gene L wrote: »
    Read my edit above.

    Reply to edit comment:

    The 400k is a Remington
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  • bellcatbellcat Senior Member Posts: 1,209 Senior Member
    Fully sporterized 1903.....338-06

    First done in the 50's, changed in the early 2000's by E.R. Shaw

    Bishop stock, purchased and worked in the 50s

    Timney Trigger
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 9,421 Senior Member
    Reply to edit comment:

    The 400k is a Remington

    Good! Nothing wrong with a .06. The National Rifleman magazine features an early one in the current issue.
    Not too many problems you can't fix
    With a 1911 and a 30-06
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,341 Senior Member
    Gene L wrote: »
    Good! Nothing wrong with a .06. The National Rifleman magazine features an early one in the current issue.

    Nothing wrong with a 41-06 either ;)

    I've slimmed down the 06's to just 3, these 2 1903s and a Winchester Featherweight in a Winchester Custom Shop stock. Plus my dads 742, but that's a safe queen now. Just got my original Winchester inletted swivel bases for the FWT, just need to do a little relieving, bed, sand and finish the wood. It's gonna be a beauty.

    I really want a 35 and 400 Whelen, and it seems wrong to do them on anything other than a 1903
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  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,341 Senior Member
    bellcat wrote: »
    Fully sporterized 1903.....338-06

    First done in the 50's, changed in the early 2000's by E.R. Shaw

    Bishop stock, purchased and worked in the 50s

    Timney Trigger

    Those Bishop stocks are real nice, very tempting, too. If found a coupe on eBay....but I think I'm going to hold out for a Griffin & Howe replica. Maybe a Sedgley or a Stuart Edward White style. SEW was the 2nd man ever to have a sporterized 03, after Teddy Roosevelt.
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  • timctimc Senior Member Posts: 6,292 Senior Member
    I have a couple of sporter stocks for a 1903 laying around if you need. They are left from a restore project I did on a couple of sporterized rifles.

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  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,341 Senior Member
    Tempting... let me chew on that.
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  • timctimc Senior Member Posts: 6,292 Senior Member
    Tempting... let me chew on that.

    If you want them just pm you address and they are yours.
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  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,614 Senior Member
    You can buy a great rifle like a Ruger American cheap and ready in commen calibers. So, either restore it to military, or go exotic custom. There are plenty of awesome modern cheap 30-06’s.

    D
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  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,341 Senior Member
    Well, there are probably only a few hundred at most, if even a hundred properly chambered 400 Whelens in the entire world, I think that's pretty exotic!
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