Hornady Critical Defense has critical malfunction

rbsivleyrbsivley Senior MemberPosts: 1,055 Senior Member
In the process of dispatching a stray roaming around my chickens I fired once, then a popping misfire. I cocked it and shot only to get a pop and fizz which pushed the bullet out just enough to enter the barrel and jamming my pistol. After much tinkering I finally got the cylinder out. I tried to post a pic.
Randy

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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 15,688 Senior Member
    Ooooh! Not good. Goes to show even the best can be "off". I'd contact Hornady.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    Carry a 25 if it makes you feel good, but do not ever load it. If you load it, you may shoot it. If you shoot it, you may hit somebody, and if you hit somebody – and he finds out about it – he may be very angry with you. --Jeff Cooper
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 22,782 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    Ooooh! Not good. Goes to show even the best can be "off". I'd contact Hornady.

    That with lot number on the box
    I have a need for speed
  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,022 Senior Member
    Will be watching. Have a box in .357 that I have not fired any from.
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 22,782 Senior Member
    Post the lot number here, too.
    I have a need for speed
  • rbsivleyrbsivley Senior Member Posts: 1,055 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    Ooooh! Not good. Goes to show even the best can be "off". I'd contact Hornady.
    I did and their tech support answer was to try to reset the bullet with a dowel rod. I don't have the lot number
    Randy

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  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,022 Senior Member
    rbsivley wrote: »
    I did and their tech support answer was to try to reset the bullet with a dowel rod. I don't have the lot number

    :uhm:...seriously?
  • terminator012terminator012 Senior Member Posts: 2,764 Senior Member
    rbsivley wrote: »
    I did and their tech support answer was to try to reset the bullet with a dowel rod. I don't have the lot number

    Wow.
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 22,782 Senior Member
    Tech support needs remedial training.
    I have a need for speed
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 15,688 Senior Member
    NN wrote: »
    Tech support needs remedial training.

    Slightly!

    I'd think they'd at the very least want the lot number, and probably the rest of the box back in exchange for a complimentary replacement...
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    Carry a 25 if it makes you feel good, but do not ever load it. If you load it, you may shoot it. If you shoot it, you may hit somebody, and if you hit somebody – and he finds out about it – he may be very angry with you. --Jeff Cooper
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 7,473 Senior Member
    rbsivley wrote: »
    I did and their tech support answer was to try to reset the bullet with a dowel rod. I don't have the lot number

    Lot number is on the box right under Hornady.

    Can you check the lot #, caliber and bullet weight? I have 3 boxes sitting on the shelf.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • rbsivleyrbsivley Senior Member Posts: 1,055 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    Lot number is on the box right under Hornady.

    Can you check the lot #, caliber and bullet weight? I have 3 boxes sitting on the shelf.

    I don't have the lot number but here's a pic

    Randy

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  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    rbsivley wrote: »
    I did and their tech support answer was to try to reset the bullet with a dowel rod. I don't have the lot number

    Removing the bullet from the bore is great. Replacing it in the cartridge will result in uncertain cartridge over all length in turn resulting in uncertain ignition pressure. Very dangerous.
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • rbsivleyrbsivley Senior Member Posts: 1,055 Senior Member
    I removed the cylinder assembly and worked it out.
    Randy

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  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 8,500 Senior Member
    early wrote: »
    Removing the bullet from the bore is great. Replacing it in the cartridge will result in uncertain cartridge over all length in turn resulting in uncertain ignition pressure. Very dangerous.

    Primer is already ignited. It probably had no powder and the primer pushed the bullet into the barrel.......
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  • DanChamberlainDanChamberlain Senior Member Posts: 2,961 Senior Member
    I'm pretty sure tech support was telling him to try and reseat the bullet to get the revolver open.
    It's a source of great pride for me, that when my name is googled, one finds book titles and not mug shots. Daniel C. Chamberlain
  • WeatherbyWeatherby Senior Member Posts: 4,366 Senior Member
    That's exactly what I was thinking Dan.
    In his picture I'm not seeing much crimp on either case either ?
    The other cartridge also appears to have the bullet moved forward ?
    Some bad juju with it.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 30,712 Senior Member
    Well, that sucks hind teat fer sure................Hornady has a really good reputation for their ammo and reloading products. I'm sure they will make it right.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 1,128 Senior Member
    I'm just reposting the pic for a better view:



    I'm really surprised the Hornady rep wasn't more interested in your problem. Unless they're already aware of it.

    :confused:
    "Facts are stubborn things and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of the facts and evidence" — John Adams
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,058 Senior Member
    rbsivley wrote: »
    I did and their tech support answer was to try to reset the bullet with a dowel rod. I don't have the lot number

    I’m pretty sure this was meant as a remedy to allow he cyclinder to swing open, not reuse the cartridge. Some context in your conversation with their tech support is appropriate here. It’s misleading as typed.
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    You guys are right. Its obvious even without the context. I was a might tired last night:yawn:
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 22,782 Senior Member
    It appears, from watching this thread, that one should keep the original box that ammo comes in until the last rnd is used,
    as the lot number is important in this issue.

    I am guilty of not always keeping ammo boxes and consolidating stray rnds of same cartridge in any handy ammo container,
    as I often go shooting and need to keep logistic issues at a minimum and could need different bullet types
    depending on circumstances especially during the hunting season.

    But, the context here is important, because if one asks the wrong question they will get the wrong answer.

    Also, ammo storage is also important
    case in point I got some .357 ammo from my neighbor that was kept in the
    door pocket of his truck. It was stored in high heat and at some point or several times it had gotten wet
    and sat in water one or more times.

    This ammo shot, but, the cases on a couple rnds split. It was Blazer ammo and I called them and had a good
    discussion with one of their people and we decided storage was the issue and that I should not shoot anymore of it.
    I believed, at the time, that if the ammo had been properly stored, they would have replaced it and wanted the remainder
    for inspection.
    I have a need for speed
  • rbsivleyrbsivley Senior Member Posts: 1,055 Senior Member
    I'm glad the dog was unarmed
    Randy

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  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 7,473 Senior Member
    No freaken kidding

    That is why i was so interested in the lot number. If i ever had to run, my revolver and that ammo would go with me
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 16,827 Senior Member
    How old is this ammo? How long have you had it in the pistol?

    Also, how oily do you keep your weapons?

    It's not unusual for ammo that's been kept in "well oiled" firearms to draw in some of the oil, killing either the powder or primer (depending on where the oil entered)

    A lot of the "civilian grade" SD ammo isn't sealed like the "LEO grade" ammo. Making the unsealed ammo more susceptible to the contamination.

    I'm not personally willing to condemn Hornady's ammo until I find out more history of the offending rounds.
    :popcorn:

    Edited to add:
    I had a similar incident with some Glazers in the 4" 357 I was carrying at the time. With the exception of my "fizzle" still having enough "oomph" to launch the bullet ~ 2-3 feet out the muzzle.

    Though the "click" on the first round was quite disheartening, knowing I had been relying on it for my protection
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 9,421 Senior Member
    I don't want to sound like I'm piling on here, but I tried Hornady CD in my .32 and one bullet set back in the case, causing me to have a stoppage and the rim of the case jammed up the magazine and I had to disassemble it to clear things up. Plus, and this isn't Hornady's fault, but the truncated cone style bullet (a slight exaggeration there) wasn't the right shape to function in the PPK. I got some PMC HP which function fine...a 62 gr. bullet advertised at 980 fps....yeah.
    Not too many problems you can't fix
    With a 1911 and a 30-06
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 30,712 Senior Member
    I had some .32 ACP HP ammo by Cor-Bon that when I chambered a round in my Walther PP and ejected it unfired it pulled the bullet and left that nasty powder in the chamber and the bullet was slightly stuck in the bbl.
    Been some years and I'm not condemning Cor-Bon ammo by any means.

    I guess the smart thing to do is cycle a couple rounds of whatever ammo you decide to use in your semi pistol to make sure it chambers and ejects without any issues. Since it wasn't my reloads I couldn't make a "Dummy Round" so be careful as you do this with any loaded ammo. Of course, firing some of whatever on the range is highly recommended before you trust it in your guns.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 30,712 Senior Member
    Besides the above, maybe take a cartridge and do the push test against a hard surface and see if a round is seated deeper and not crimped enough, twist in yer fingertips and for a revolver you can load and unload they cylinder with it.

    No real way to determine it will work as it should unless you actually fire some of it, though.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
  • rbsivleyrbsivley Senior Member Posts: 1,055 Senior Member
    rbsivley wrote: »
    I removed the cylinder assembly and worked it out.

    Only by God's mercy am I writing this. I thank Him that the Hornady rounds miss fired. I had replaced 2 rounds with some Winchester lead hp. The first round fired and hit the target. The second rd fired and (missed) then the two Hornady miss fired. After removing the stuck Hornady rd that pushed into the barrel I discovered the 2nd Winchester rd was stuck in the barrel bout half inch in. If the Hornady rounds had fired I would have been I serious trouble.
    Randy

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  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 9,479 Senior Member
    rbsivley wrote: »
    Only by God's mercy am I writing this. I thank Him that the Hornady rounds miss fired. I had replaced 2 rounds with some Winchester lead hp. The first round fired and hit the target. The second rd fired and (missed) then the two Hornady miss fired. After removing the stuck Hornady rd that pushed into the barrel I discovered the 2nd Winchester rd was stuck in the barrel bout half inch in. If the Hornady rounds had fired I would have been I serious trouble.

    WOW, literally dodged a bullet there:angel2:
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 22,782 Senior Member
    Yep, when stuff like that happens; it gets your attention.
    I have a need for speed
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