They're not longer assautl weapons...

JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior MemberPosts: 6,075 Senior Member
they're "Weapons of war". Interesting how the anti-gun crowed has coined a new term for the same old crap. I guess "weapons of war" sounds scarier.
Jerry

Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.

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  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 6,636 Senior Member
    I suppose. . .

    I think the term makes OUR case easier given the true purpose and scope of the 2A was to put The People on an even footing with a standing army. "Assault weapon" is a lot more ambiguous, IMO. My response to "weapons of war" is "Yep. You have them; we have them. What's your point?"
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,614 Senior Member
    What's next?

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    To name a few..
    "A patriot is mocked, scorned and hated; yet when his cause succeeds, all men will join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain
    Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 25,691 Senior Member
    JerryBobCo wrote: »
    they're "Weapons of war". Interesting how the anti-gun crowed has coined a new term for the same old crap. I guess "weapons of war" sounds scarier.
    That’s ok I just heard someone supposedly on OUR side on Fox News call them “advanced” weapons. Just another round of ammo readily handed over to the opposition by the overactive mouths trying to sound overly knowledgeable on the subject so they can collect their paycheck as an “expert”...
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    The language of politics and sales.
    New and improved.
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,244 Senior Member
    Weapons of War? Not sure but if a list could be made of what firearms have taken what numbers of lives in war I’d bet the AR would not make the top 20 of the list. I’d guess like Dan’s pic ... Mosin, Mauser, 1903, Enfield and such would make it and just because of sheer numbers being used in every craphole county around the globe AKs. I’d even guess Winchester lever guns would rank higher than ARs on the list.

    I swear the gun grabbers must have hired the best advertising firm and PR agent to come up with these “ad campaigns” selling this bovine fecal matter.
    “The further a society drifts from truth ... the more it will hate those who speak it."
    - George Orwell
  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 37,360 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    That’s ok I just heard someone supposedly on OUR side on Fox News call them “advanced” weapons. Just another round of ammo readily handed over to the opposition by the overactive mouths trying to sound overly knowledgeable on the subject so they can collect their paycheck as an “expert”...

    Fox News is full of people who love the sound of their own voice.
    Yeah. I know. At least it's not CNBC abc xyz 134 w t f.
    "I'm here for the guns, hunting, and skirt wearing men."
    Zee
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 25,691 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Fox News is full of people who love the sound of their own voice.
    Yeah. I know. At least it's not CNBC abc xyz 134 w t f.
    On Monday I’m unplugging all cable networks and finally going 100% iptv. Will not miss ONE of them...
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 37,360 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    On Monday I’m unplugging all cable networks and finally going 100% iptv. Will not miss ONE of them...

    I haven't missed them for 4-5 years now.
    "I'm here for the guns, hunting, and skirt wearing men."
    Zee
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 15,976 Senior Member
    I never wanted them in the first place.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    Carry a 25 if it makes you feel good, but do not ever load it. If you load it, you may shoot it. If you shoot it, you may hit somebody, and if you hit somebody – and he finds out about it – he may be very angry with you. --Jeff Cooper
  • flphotogflphotog New Member Posts: 2 New Member
    Well, since the AR isn't and never has been either an assault weapon or a weapon of war both terms fit as well as calling a liberal a human being.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 22,258 Senior Member
    AR 15 has never been a weapon of war in that no army has ever been armed with them exclusively. Why mess with an AR 15 when you can have a select fire M-16 or M-4? Makes zero sense.

    Anyway, the media has been getting beaten like a worn out drum with their 'high powered weapon' bull for a while. So they defaulted to 'assault weapon, and weapon of war' to dramatize their weak position. That generally works because the population is 60%+ so ignorant that they don't know the difference between the AR 15 and the M-16 and M-4, and don't care that they don't know. They look scary and must be banned.

    Fine. I still have my M1-A. I guess it's not scary even if it is in a black stock.
    Non Sibi Sed Patriage (Not for self, but country)



  • roadkingroadking Senior Member Posts: 3,056 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    On Monday I’m unplugging all cable networks and finally going 100% iptv. Will not miss ONE of them...

    Ditched ALL T.V. about 12 years ago...nothing worth watching.
    Support your local Scouts!
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,435 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    That’s ok I just heard someone supposedly on OUR side on Fox News call them “advanced” weapons. Just another round of ammo readily handed over to the opposition by the overactive mouths trying to sound overly knowledgeable on the subject so they can collect their paycheck as an “expert”...

    I would like to know what dumbass banana said that.
    Political correctness is a liberal degrading of the freedom of speech. George Orwell's 1984 famously incorporated the notion of limiting thought through language (see Newspeak)." Meanwhile, the beatings will continue until morale improves around here.
  • NomadacNomadac Senior Member Posts: 865 Senior Member
    I was listening to Fox News today and Lt. Col. Ralph Peterson was being interviewed and he stated he was for a ban on AR-15's as it was a weapon of war, the bullets tumbled and caused more damage to the enemy, they were not accurate and were not effective for hunting, etc. If the bullets tumble like he was programing why do so many bullseye shooters use them for target shooting?
    He sounds like the typical uninformed person stating they are not good for anything but for mass shootings.
    He is pathetic for someone with military experience.

    Fox should quit using him for expert commentary.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 12,602 Senior Member
    The oooooooooooooooooooooooooold bullets did tumble. On impact. M193 in a 1:12" twist barrel did that. When they adopted with M16A2 with the 1:7" twist barrel, the bullets stopped doing that. Modern 1:9 twist barrels do the same thing, as does using ammo other than M193. The Lt. Col. is just stuck in antiquated thought.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    The tumbling occurs post impact and is common to ball ammunition used for combat by many nations in many types of rifles.

    Not accurate is an obsurd statement of farcical falsehood for sure.

    A computer is a weapon of war. The application of that phrase is an indictment of the false proposition that infringement of the citizens right to bear arms is justified because of lack of need. In reality the weapon of war description justifies the exact opposite and should be an indictment a citizens constitutional right to have.
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 13,910 Senior Member
    Trusting any news source is like letting someone else do your own thinking for you. They are nothing but propaganda and spin mills broadcasting what they want the useful idiots to hear.

    Here you got this "weapons of war" crap going on, plus the whole "crisis actor" line being fed and people actually believe it. Do you know why? They are too intellectually lazy to understand the truth. They would rather be force fed crap than have to actually think.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 22,258 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    That’s ok I just heard someone supposedly on OUR side on Fox News call them “advanced” weapons. Just another round of ammo readily handed over to the opposition by the overactive mouths trying to sound overly knowledgeable on the subject so they can collect their paycheck as an “expert”...

    Advanced weapons? A design from the 1950's that's now almost 60 years old? That makes the 1911 and M1 Garand just slightly less advanced! :rotflmao:
    Non Sibi Sed Patriage (Not for self, but country)



  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 12,602 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    Advanced weapons? A design from the 1950's that's now almost 60 years old? That makes the 1911 and M1 Garand just slightly less advanced! :rotflmao:

    Sometimes folks 60 or over are termed "advanced" in years, so...
    Overkill is underrated.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 22,258 Senior Member
    Sometimes folks 60 or over are termed "advanced" in years, so...

    Yup! And we went to school back when schools were places of learning, not Jimmeh Cartas vision of government indoctrination camps for little proletariats via the U.S. Dept. of Education! :roll2:

    An advanced weapon would be a pulse plasma rifle in 40KW range, and smart bullets that actually key on infrared body heat. We have rail guns, just nothing to shoot at with them. Since Trump got elected the Iranian bass boats are conspicuous by their absence in the Gulf. They do have a leaky old glorified destroyer escort that's cruising around in the Atlantic, and maybe in the Gulf of Mexico. The puddle pirates can sink it with one round if the Iranians get frisky.
    Non Sibi Sed Patriage (Not for self, but country)



  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,435 Senior Member
    The commies will use any word, phrase or paragraph to describe something they want you to feel bad about and then oppose.
    Political correctness is a liberal degrading of the freedom of speech. George Orwell's 1984 famously incorporated the notion of limiting thought through language (see Newspeak)." Meanwhile, the beatings will continue until morale improves around here.
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,317 Senior Member
    The oooooooooooooooooooooooooold bullets did tumble. On impact. M193 in a 1:12" twist barrel did that. When they adopted with M16A2 with the 1:7" twist barrel, the bullets stopped doing that. Modern 1:9 twist barrels do the same thing, as does using ammo other than M193. The Lt. Col. is just stuck in antiquated thought.
    I arrived at US Army Basic Combat training 10 May 1978 at FT Leonard Wood, MO. I was eventually issued a well worn "vintage" Colt military AR-15. The lower receiver was stamped as such plus U.S. Government Property. The selector switch was safe, semi, and auto. No bolt assist. No chromed chamber/barrel. 1 in 14" twist and M193 55 grain ".22 Short" ammo. Accuracy was determined completely by luck! I read an article in 1964 when the Air force acquired military AR-15s. I had no idea that the Army issued them. Information is scarce. Does anyone have any on this rifle?
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,317 Senior Member
    The commies will use any word, phrase or paragraph to describe something they want you to feel bad about and then oppose.
    This just in! The legislation, called the "Assault Weapons Ban of 2018," was introduced less than two weeks after the mass shooting at a Parkland, Fla., high school that left 17 people dead. The gunman used an AR-15 assault rifle during the shooting, one of the many firearms that would be banned under the bill.
  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,244 Senior Member
    Here’s a draft of the bill ...

    https://cicilline.house.gov/sites/cicilline.house.gov/files/images/Assault_Weapons_Ban_of_2018.pdf

    I swear it looks just like the one Feinstein always submits down to the firearms listings.
    “The further a society drifts from truth ... the more it will hate those who speak it."
    - George Orwell
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,317 Senior Member
    NCFUBAR wrote: »
    Here’s a draft of the bill ...

    https://cicilline.house.gov/sites/cicilline.house.gov/files/images/Assault_Weapons_Ban_of_2018.pdf

    I swear it looks just like the one Feinstein always submits down to the firearms listings.
    This is the "news" article I quoted from.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dems-introduce-bill-banning-assault-weapons/ar-BBJD8DK
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,435 Senior Member
    Their stupid list looks like it includes every semi-automatic rifle in existence.
    Political correctness is a liberal degrading of the freedom of speech. George Orwell's 1984 famously incorporated the notion of limiting thought through language (see Newspeak)." Meanwhile, the beatings will continue until morale improves around here.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 22,258 Senior Member
    NCFUBAR wrote: »
    Here’s a draft of the bill ...

    https://cicilline.house.gov/sites/cicilline.house.gov/files/images/Assault_Weapons_Ban_of_2018.pdf

    I swear it looks just like the one Feinstein always submits down to the firearms listings.

    That's the same old bill the old sea hag trots out from time to time, with added verbiage to account for the present incident in question, and whatever she thinks she can get away with. She was screeching like a banshee when the AWB reached its sunset date and proposed much the same bill then, and every few years afterward. She just puts new curtains on the same old dirty window and trots it out hoping it will fly.

    Page 17 and 18 have that caveat that is in all her 'ass-hault weapons' bills that exempts All Federal entities, and local and State LE from the provisions of the bill. Gotta do that to keep the great unwashed proletariat in line don'tcha know.
    Non Sibi Sed Patriage (Not for self, but country)



  • ArmoredmanArmoredman Member Posts: 309 Member
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  • NomadacNomadac Senior Member Posts: 865 Senior Member
    Maybe all of those pushing for another Assault "Weapons Ban should read the results of the last Ban.
    An Updated Assessment of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban: Impacts on Gun Markets and Gun Violence,
     1994-2003 Report to the National Institute of Justice,United States Department of Justice

    https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/b/5/b531daeb-a954-41f8-a21c-268cceccb4c4/55A639CA20094C1538C8B7FE50B3A94A.penn-study-koper.pdf



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