I recently got a Mauser C96 CO2 pistol...now I might want to get a real one,options?

philo426philo426 MemberPosts: 319 Member
I recently git an Umarex C96 Broom handle pistol and I might want. to obtain a modern one in 9mm.Does anyone make one.?I don't really want the stripper clip that loads from the top but the model that has a box magazine that loads from the bottom.

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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 15,981 Senior Member
    edited March 12 #2
    Modern C96 replica? Not that I know of. A huge number of originals are worn out, shot out, rusted out, and in general useless except as a display piece. With that said, there are a couple of outfits that specialize in bbl relining/replacement, and converting from 7.63 to 9mm can be done as well. Mine is such a rebuild/rechamber done about 20 years ago.

    There were a few originally built as 9mm - and even some built as 9mm Largo as I recall. The 9mm (Luger) version has a large red "9" carved into the grips - some of the rebuild/rechamber examples will too. Lots of fakes and dubious history out there, know what you're buying. Sweet gun to shoot.

    I'm pretty sure they all load from the top w/stripper clips.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    Carry a 25 if it makes you feel good, but do not ever load it. If you load it, you may shoot it. If you shoot it, you may hit somebody, and if you hit somebody – and he finds out about it – he may be very angry with you. --Jeff Cooper
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 9,459 Senior Member
    I think they all load from the top in a fixed magazine.  No one I know of makes a modern one, WAY too much machining would make a new one out of the question.  Also, the 7.63x25 is a lot more potent than a 9mm.  Some were converted to 9mm back in the day, they have a large "9" engraved on the stocks.
    Not too many problems you can't fix
    With a 1911 and a 30-06
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 15,981 Senior Member
    edited March 12 #4
    I took a quick flip through my C96 book - apparently Mauser never marketed a version with a removable magazine, although they did make a few as an experiment. However, the Spanish Astra had several flavors with removable mags - mostly chambered in 9mm Largo. The Astra looked about the same, but had different guts - and is collectible in its own right. The Chinese made a ton of knockoffs too - maybe some of them had removable mags, dunno...

    Memory is tickling me - something about some Mauser versions made for export in something called "9mm Mauser" - I can dig up the reference if anybody's interested.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    Carry a 25 if it makes you feel good, but do not ever load it. If you load it, you may shoot it. If you shoot it, you may hit somebody, and if you hit somebody – and he finds out about it – he may be very angry with you. --Jeff Cooper
  • AntonioAntonio Senior Member Posts: 2,139 Senior Member
    edited March 12 #5
    Last original ones were made in the early 1930s; Chinese gunmakers apparently made copies for a while but wouldn't recommend those at all for firing.

    Original 9mm Parabellums were made as a batch for the Prussian Army during WWI; close to 150,000 were manufactured and most show an engraved "9" in the wood grips, usually filled with red paint (Hence the collectors' term "Red Nine"), and a 0-500 meters rear sight. I have a few and when properly fed and cared, they are quite accurate and reliable at reasonable pistol ranges.

    Many in original bore (7.63 Mauser or 7.63x25mm.) were rebored or rebarreled to this caliber in the US, usually worn examples imported from China's state arsenals in the '80s; some were properly done and work OK but others don't, specially considering that worn parts were replaced with others, something that many times would also require some hand fitting to allow proper function.

    Almost any serviceable, Mauser-made C-96 will go for over $ 1000, usually with still usable barrel, external finish wear & light pitting, and with some mismatched/replacement parts; an original 9mm would be a tad over that. Those in 7.63 (The most abundants) have available commercial ammo from Fiocchi and Prvi Partizan and although a "spitfire" pistol, still fun to shoot at the range.

    Only the selective-fire "Schnellfeures" machine-pistols were built to use a conventional magazine; the rest were all clip-fed. Some Chinese refurbished examples were modified in the U.S. to magazine loading, but not as common and apparently reliable as you'd think. With proper clips and training in a working C-96, you can reload surprisingly quick using that system though. Those fake magazine-loaded C-96s shown at the "Sherlock Holmes: A game of shadows" movie surely did confused a lot of firearm aficionados that have basic knowledges regarding this particular collectible pistol!

    Check gunbroker for examples for sale and do all the research you can before leaping into one; they're cool "range toys" with lots of historical background, but a whole world themselves and with their age, a potential headache if you're not careful choosing a proper one.
  • philo426philo426 Member Posts: 319 Member
    Ok thanks!Much to consider.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 9,459 Senior Member
    They're not particularly user-friendly.  Very heavy up front.  Winston Churchill had one in the Boer War, I believe, and praised it. 
    Not too many problems you can't fix
    With a 1911 and a 30-06
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 15,981 Senior Member
    Gene L said:
    They're not particularly user-friendly.  Very heavy up front.  Winston Churchill had one in the Boer War, I believe, and praised it. 
    They're certainly odd to hold - OTOH, they shoot pretty nice because of the front weight - if you can hold it on the target!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    Carry a 25 if it makes you feel good, but do not ever load it. If you load it, you may shoot it. If you shoot it, you may hit somebody, and if you hit somebody – and he finds out about it – he may be very angry with you. --Jeff Cooper
  • AntonioAntonio Senior Member Posts: 2,139 Senior Member
    Grip is odd to say the best, but still functional and for a while the best handgun you could pack, probably until the conventional-shaped 1911 and the P-08 "Luger" appeared in the field right before WWI. I have even dared to use mine in a few local IDPA-style shooting matches to the laugh, astonishment and then surprise of the "tacticool pistol-packing"  crowd since they can perform pretty decent regarding reliability and accuracy even with the funky clip reloading procedure.
    Maybe because I'm a fan and have shot them quite a few times I'm biased and have got used to their clunky handling!
  • philo426philo426 Member Posts: 319 Member
    Does not hurt that Han Solos blaster was based upon the C96.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 9,459 Senior Member
    I'm definitely a fan.  The barley corn front sight isn't for older eyes.  Until the .357 came out, the .30 Mauser was the most powerful handgun round in the world.  The hammer will bit your hand, and so I don't shoot mine very often, used to have a shoulder stock for mine but it's gone with the wind.
    Not too many problems you can't fix
    With a 1911 and a 30-06
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 938 Senior Member
    Gene L said:
    They're not particularly user-friendly.  Very heavy up front.  Winston Churchill had one in the Boer War, I believe, and praised it. 
    Most preferable to a sword, at least till' it's time to reload.🔫
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 9,459 Senior Member
    Mine is an Obendorff Mauser.  I love it.  I had to get the barrel relined. 
    Not too many problems you can't fix
    With a 1911 and a 30-06
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 15,981 Senior Member
    Did that guy in Florida do the reline?
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    Carry a 25 if it makes you feel good, but do not ever load it. If you load it, you may shoot it. If you shoot it, you may hit somebody, and if you hit somebody – and he finds out about it – he may be very angry with you. --Jeff Cooper
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 9,459 Senior Member
    Mauser made them for China...I think the Chinese ones had a C prefix to the SN.  There's a man in Atlanta named Chang (I believe) who was/is Chinese and he sold me my first one.  He has a wall full of Chinese copies, but won't sell them as they're not absolutely safe to shoot.  He said they basically filed them out of railroad rails with a minimum of power tools...they were popular during the Japanese-China War prior to WW II.  They even tried to copy the Mauser logo...I saw one with "Wauser" banner because the "M" was foreign to Chinese copiers. 
    Not too many problems you can't fix
    With a 1911 and a 30-06
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 6,636 Senior Member
    "Wauser" - LMAO!  Didn't Inspector Gadget carry one of those?

    I have to wonder. . .The good folks in Italy have been doing a brisk business for many years at making very high quality replicas of just about every 1800's period firearm you can think of. . .

    Perhaps it's time to found the sport of "World Wars Action Shooting" and create a market for replicas of that period.  The time is probably right for it:  the real ones are either too beat up or, if not, too expensive to use hard, and the industry has largely shifted to plastic, aluminum, and roll pins for putting together day-to-day utility firearms.  The 1911 is darn near the only in-production survivor of that era, but not really, because today it's all about big sights, big safeties, beavertails, and polymer triggers and MSH's

    Certainly, if Uberti can make an 1886 Winchester, which was start-to-finish intended to be a classy "flagship" product, they can knock out Lugers, C-96's, Enfields (Brit and U.S.), Webleys, Trench Guns, period-correct 1911's, and the whole Mauser 98 family from Gew to Kar.  

    Personally, I kinda like the idea of a pistol you load with a stripper clip. . .


    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 15,981 Senior Member
    I want a Borchardt. You can't even buy a non-functional replica of one - except one out of Japan for ridiculous money.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    Carry a 25 if it makes you feel good, but do not ever load it. If you load it, you may shoot it. If you shoot it, you may hit somebody, and if you hit somebody – and he finds out about it – he may be very angry with you. --Jeff Cooper
  • philo426philo426 Member Posts: 319 Member
    Yes that is one wild looking pistol!
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,190 Senior Member
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    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 9,459 Senior Member
    zorba said:
    Did that guy in Florida do the reline?
    I think the guy was from Oregon.  Nowadays, there's a LGS with a lathe than can do it.  Should I ever need it re-done, which is remote.  Before lining it, I shot it into a catalog and the bullet was slick...no lands/grooves at all.
    Not too many problems you can't fix
    With a 1911 and a 30-06
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 15,981 Senior Member
    The bbl was cut right off of mine and replaced with a 9mm. Goddess only knows how bad the original was!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    Carry a 25 if it makes you feel good, but do not ever load it. If you load it, you may shoot it. If you shoot it, you may hit somebody, and if you hit somebody – and he finds out about it – he may be very angry with you. --Jeff Cooper
  • AntonioAntonio Senior Member Posts: 2,139 Senior Member
    edited March 14 #22
    The most reputed according to what collectors say are "Redman's Re-linings" and Florida's "The broom closet" (Think this one is no longer working). Usually they'll try to keep the original chambering due to dimensions' issues but will do as the client wishes.

    Have seen many C-96s in sound external condition but absolutely wasted bore down here, something that a re-lining would have solved if anyone would give that service here; the use of corrosive-primed ammo and the absolutely ignorance of the local folk regarding the simple but paramount cleaning procedures when such ammo is used has unfortunately ruined tons of classic firearms. Watching online such shops in the US giving those kinds of gunsmith services is my actual internet porn!
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 15,981 Senior Member
    Antonio said
    "The broom closet" (Think this one is no longer working).
    Yea - that's the one I was thinking of. Mine was done by an outfit called Federal Ordinance years back, their rebuilds seem to be well regarded. Nice gun in any event.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    Carry a 25 if it makes you feel good, but do not ever load it. If you load it, you may shoot it. If you shoot it, you may hit somebody, and if you hit somebody – and he finds out about it – he may be very angry with you. --Jeff Cooper

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