Roseanne Rips Ex-Obama Aide Valerie Jarrett: ‘Muslim Brotherhood & Planet of the Apes Had a Child’

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  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,260 Senior Member
    Big Chief said:
    Yep, they call conservative women the C word and that seems to be OK.
    Vulger language has pretty much always been acceptable to some degree or another no matter who it's directed at. However, racism, misogyny, homophobia, trans-phobia, etc. are very much off limits in mainstream culture these days. If Rosanne had called Jarret any four letter word in the book she'd still have a job. Not saying that I completely agree with it, but that's the world we live in. There is a fairly large vocal minority on both sides seems constantly on edge just waiting to be outraged about something or another. It's fairly exhausting.
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    By any other word would smell as sweet;

    I do not think I need to give a credit to that, eh?

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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 31,151 Senior Member
    Imagine if someone like a Hollywood actor or comedian publicly  called Michelle Obammy, Pantsuit or Chelsea the C word............they would have been ran outta town on a rail.....................it seems to more or less OK when it is directed toward those the Elite don't like like Trump and his family. She said she was sorry halfassedly, but never fer suggesting there was incest between him and his daughter........

    Time will tell if they actually fire her.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 22,278 Senior Member
    Odd that no one lost a job for
    Vulger language has pretty much always been acceptable to some degree or another no matter who it's directed at. However, racism, misogyny, homophobia, trans-phobia, etc. are very much off limits in mainstream culture these days. If Rosanne had called Jarret any four letter word in the book she'd still have a job. Not saying that I completely agree with it, but that's the world we live in. There is a fairly large vocal minority on both sides seems constantly on edge just waiting to be outraged about something or another. It's fairly exhausting.
    Oh, what a tangled web we weave............................................

    I guess the Loony Left forgot Bill Maher's little episode comparing Trump to an orangutan. No double standards, my fuzzy brown starfish! Double standards; double standards everywhere on the Left.

    http://www.indiewire.com/2018/05/bill-maher-right-wing-pundits-trump-orangutan-roseanne-barr-1201969647/

    Bill Maher is being criticized by right-wing pundits online in the wake of the Roseanne Barr controversy (via A.V. Club) . The “Real Time” host once made a joke on his HBO late night talk show in which he commented on Trump’s appearance by saying his “mother had sex with an orangutan.” Right-wing pundits argue Maher’s one-liner is similar to Roseanne Barr’s racist joke in which she referred to former Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett as a mix between the “Muslim Brotherhood” and the “Planet of the Apes.”


    ABC, the network behind Barr’s hugely successful “Roseanne” revival, cancelled the series in the hours after Barr’s joke went viral and received outrage across the internet. Right-wing pundits say Maher should be given a similar fate and have his HBO series cancelled for referring to Trump as the offspring of a human and an orangutan.

    “I’m so old I remember when Bill Maher claimed President Trump’s ‘mother had sex with an orangutan’ and kept his job,” One America News Network correspondent Jack Posobiec said on Twitter.

    Charlie Kirk, director of Turning Point USA, alleges Barr’s show got cancelled while Maher’s remains on the air because the former is a “free-thinking Trump supporter” and Maher is a liberal. “Wait, Bill Maher makes comparisons to Trump being a gorilla all the time,” he wrote. “They get classified as ‘jokes’ by the media and he is of course allowed to keep his show and not have his life ruined.”

    Barr apologized for her racist joke and admitted she “made a mistake.” Neither HBO nor Maher have responded to the right-wing backlash in the aftermath of the Barr controversy.




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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 9,904 Senior Member
    Big Chief said:
    Yep, they call conservative women the C word and that seems to be OK.
    Vulger language has pretty much always been acceptable to some degree or another no matter who it's directed at. However, racism, misogyny, homophobia, trans-phobia, etc. are very much off limits in mainstream culture these days. If Rosanne had called Jarret any four letter word in the book she'd still have a job. Not saying that I completely agree with it, but that's the world we live in. There is a fairly large vocal minority on both sides seems constantly on edge just waiting to be outraged about something or another. It's fairly exhausting.
    Just look at one guy if you seriously believe that. Research what Bob Iger, CEO of the Walt Disney Co., which owns ABC and ESPN, among others, has done lately to punish liberals who profanely attack people of the wrong political persuasion. Most recently, they rehired Keith Olberman a few days ago, who tweeted these pleasantries:

    “F*** you @RealDonaldTrump Nazi Nazi f*** Nazi Nazi RACIST Nazi BIGOT go f*** yourself f***ing Nazi f***ers.”

    “Any of them mention to you that we had a Domestic Terror attack a week ago today and you still won’t call it what it was, you cowardly f***?”

    “YOU are the leaker, you stupid, pea-brained, motherf***ing traitor. RESIGN.”

    “What needs to be replaced is THIS motherf***er. Today. This morning. NOW.”

    (to Ivanka) “Then tell your racist, white supremacist, neo-nazi father to get the f*** out of our society.”

    “GO F*** YOURSELF @REAL DONALD TRUMP.”

    “You and @POTUS can go f*** yourself, you racist Nazi f***s.”

    “You will not destroy this country, @realDonaldTrump. Go f*** yourself.”

    “ICYMI: So we’re clear, this is where this F***ing lying anti-Democracy F*** lied to the American people, with no F***ing quote F***ing marks twitter.com/realdonaldtrump…”

    “Honest to God, @realDonaldTrump – shut the f*** up.” #Resign”

    “TO HELL WITH YOU, YOU MOTHERF***ING TRAITOR.”

    There are many, many more, but I know you have your hands clapped over your ears (eyes, in this case). Roseanne is a hater, but Olbermann isn't.

    Got it...it's that 'lens' thing, again...right?
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 17,084 Senior Member
    bisley said:
    Got it...it's that 'lens' thing, again...right?
    Could it be anything else but?????? ;)
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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 7,906 Senior Member
    edited June 2 #37
    bisley said:
    Big Chief said:
    Yep, they call conservative women the C word and that seems to be OK.
    Vulger language has pretty much always been acceptable to some degree or another no matter who it's directed at. However, racism, misogyny, homophobia, trans-phobia, etc. are very much off limits in mainstream culture these days. If Rosanne had called Jarret any four letter word in the book she'd still have a job. Not saying that I completely agree with it, but that's the world we live in. There is a fairly large vocal minority on both sides seems constantly on edge just waiting to be outraged about something or another. It's fairly exhausting.
    Just look at one guy if you seriously believe that. Research what Bob Iger, CEO of the Walt Disney Co., which owns ABC and ESPN, among others, has done lately to punish liberals who profanely attack people of the wrong political persuasion. Most recently, they rehired Keith Olberman a few days ago, who tweeted these pleasantries:

    “F*** you @RealDonaldTrump Nazi Nazi f*** Nazi Nazi RACIST Nazi BIGOT go f*** yourself f***ing Nazi f***ers.”

    “Any of them mention to you that we had a Domestic Terror attack a week ago today and you still won’t call it what it was, you cowardly f***?”

    “YOU are the leaker, you stupid, pea-brained, motherf***ing traitor. RESIGN.”

    “What needs to be replaced is THIS motherf***er. Today. This morning. NOW.”

    (to Ivanka) “Then tell your racist, white supremacist, neo-nazi father to get the f*** out of our society.”

    “GO F*** YOURSELF @REAL DONALD TRUMP.”

    “You and @POTUS can go f*** yourself, you racist Nazi f***s.”

    “You will not destroy this country, @realDonaldTrump. Go f*** yourself.”

    “ICYMI: So we’re clear, this is where this F***ing lying anti-Democracy F*** lied to the American people, with no F***ing quote F***ing marks twitter.com/realdonaldtrump…”

    “Honest to God, @realDonaldTrump – shut the f*** up.” #Resign”

    “TO HELL WITH YOU, YOU MOTHERF***ING TRAITOR.”

    There are many, many more, but I know you have your hands clapped over your ears (eyes, in this case). Roseanne is a hater, but Olbermann isn't.

    Got it...it's that 'lens' thing, again...right?

    I seems you probably missed my point. My point was you can be vulger and profane as much as you want. You can spit vitriol about anyone you want. You can even say you hate whoever you want, as long as it can't easily be portrayed as an ism (Race, sex, etc.) Or a phobia (****, islama, etc.). Nothing in the above hits any of the off limits Marks. The comparison between Maher and Rossane has two aspects. The first is Maher is on HBO which is pay cable late at night and Rossane is on ABC primetime which is mainstream and also Disney (also Maher has previously been fired from ABC for, I'm not making this up, being too politically incorrect on his show called "politically incorrect"). The more important distinction though is there is no long history of people of other races referring to white people as orangutans, while there is a long history of racists calling black people apes or monkeys. 
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 9,904 Senior Member
    So, offensive language and insults are now being sorted and classified for acceptability, by the same morons who will pay the equivalent of their best year's salary to own a painting of a Campbell's tomato soup can. Knowing the 'code' gives one unimaginative person the right to insult others in the vilest of ways, and not knowing the code relegates another unimaginative person to the ash heap of disgraced celebrities, and ruins that person's ability to earn a living, along with every 'innocent' person who got caught in the 'prop-wash.'

    Racial slurs are now hate crimes, but profanity is just 'freedom of expression.' See, all of this time, I have been thinking that public insults were just really bad manners, and that racial slurs were just insults born out of ignorance, or poor upbringing. I am just so 20th century...or else the age of reason is just over. Where do I get in line for my new lens?
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 31,151 Senior Member
    edited June 4 #39
    Harry hates everybody.........



    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 950 Senior Member
    It's the alternate reality created by tv and movie media. The hypnotic zombification of the general public is an insidious carcinogen thats eroding the fabric of independent thought. Just tune in for your regularly scheduled programming.
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 25,711 Senior Member
    bisley said:
    So, offensive language and insults are now being sorted and classified for acceptability, by the same morons who will pay the equivalent of their best year's salary to own a painting of a Campbell's tomato soup can. Knowing the 'code' gives one unimaginative person the right to insult others in the vilest of ways, and not knowing the code relegates another unimaginative person to the ash heap of disgraced celebrities, and ruins that person's ability to earn a living, along with every 'innocent' person who got caught in the 'prop-wash.'

    Racial slurs are now hate crimes, but profanity is just 'freedom of expression.' See, all of this time, I have been thinking that public insults were just really bad manners, and that racial slurs were just insults born out of ignorance, or poor upbringing. I am just so 20th century...or else the age of reason is just over. Where do I get in line for my new lens?
    You are just an angry old guy.  Sit down with alpha and he will explain the whole thing to you...
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 7,906 Senior Member
    bisley said:
    So, offensive language and insults are now being sorted and classified for acceptability, by the same morons who will pay the equivalent of their best year's salary to own a painting of a Campbell's tomato soup can. Knowing the 'code' gives one unimaginative person the right to insult others in the vilest of ways, and not knowing the code relegates another unimaginative person to the ash heap of disgraced celebrities, and ruins that person's ability to earn a living, along with every 'innocent' person who got caught in the 'prop-wash.'

    Racial slurs are now hate crimes, but profanity is just 'freedom of expression.' See, all of this time, I have been thinking that public insults were just really bad manners, and that racial slurs were just insults born out of ignorance, or poor upbringing. I am just so 20th century...or else the age of reason is just over. Where do I get in line for my new lens?
    Now you're getting it! That's pretty much how it works these days. For the record I also think it's fairly stupid, but I don't get to make the rules, I just have to live by them like everyone else.
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 22,278 Senior Member
    Is this still O.K.? Asking for a friend.




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  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 950 Senior Member
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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 7,906 Senior Member
    tennmike said:
    Is this still O.K.? Asking for a friend.




    yep, that one's fine
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
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  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,438 Senior Member
    I love how the party of racism (pre 1965) now gets to define it, and gets to name the words that are acceptable and unacceptable. The demonrat party is THE cabal of lying and hypocrisy.
    Political correctness is a liberal degrading of the freedom of speech. George Orwell's 1984 famously incorporated the notion of limiting thought through language (see Newspeak)." Meanwhile, the beatings will continue until morale improves around here.
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,194 Senior Member
    These are all OK as well.



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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 7,906 Senior Member
    I love how the party of racism (pre 1965) now gets to define it, and gets to name the words that are acceptable and unacceptable. The demonrat party is THE cabal of lying and hypocrisy.
    Yeah party constituencies shift. The Republican's stole most of the southern racists and the Democrats stole most of the North Eastern "Rockefeller Republicans".
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 9,904 Senior Member
    I love how the party of racism (pre 1965) now gets to define it, and gets to name the words that are acceptable and unacceptable. The demonrat party is THE cabal of lying and hypocrisy.
    Yeah party constituencies shift. The Republican's stole most of the southern racists and the Democrats stole most of the North Eastern "Rockefeller Republicans".
    This is a very generalized assessment of the sort that 'honest' liberals used to complain about, whenever it 'gored their ox.' There is a significant element of truth to such an assessment, but it is always stated in a way that condemns one side in favor of the other. There was a time when the moderates of each party weren't so far apart that reasonable compromises couldn't be made. That time is long gone, and now the voters have to choose between the 'least worst' of the professional liars, which ends up being a straight ticket that mixes the worst with the best, and insures gridlock.

    The only issues that ever get settled now are the ones that can be reduced to a yes/no, black/white decision point, and such does not exist on most modern issues. I blame this on a dishonest, incompetent press, dishonest and incompetent educators...and lawyers.

  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,438 Senior Member
    Yeah party constituencies shift. The Republican's stole most of the southern racists and the Democrats stole most of the North Eastern "Rockefeller Republicans".
    Total BS.....where'd you get that, Rolling Stone magazine or Mother Earth News? Most of the shift was due to big government VS small government policy. Another reason was economics. Some democrats were fed up with socialism because it hampered economic prosperity. Dwight Eisenhower proposed civil rights legislation way before 1965, and the democrats refused to cooperate until 1965 when they decided it would be in their best interest to use civil rights to gain more black voters and power. If you wanted to, call it a "conversion" of ideology, and it happened over a long period of time starting in the 1930's with FDR's "New Deal."

    Political correctness is a liberal degrading of the freedom of speech. George Orwell's 1984 famously incorporated the notion of limiting thought through language (see Newspeak)." Meanwhile, the beatings will continue until morale improves around here.
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 950 Senior Member
    Reading these last few posts brings to mind a fictional book Im reading. In it the author pigeon holes the characters into rigid almost stereotypical boxes that real people in the real world hardly ever fit into. I think politicians on both sides of the spectrem try to appeal to voters in the same way. They have to because they're completely out of touch with common ordinary people, its convenient, and it creates desired division and distraction.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 9,904 Senior Member
    Reading these last few posts brings to mind a fictional book Im reading. In it the author pigeon holes the characters into rigid almost stereotypical boxes that real people in the real world hardly ever fit into. I think politicians on both sides of the spectrem try to appeal to voters in the same way. They have to because they're completely out of touch with common ordinary people, its convenient, and it creates desired division and distraction.
    Yep - a very wise man from a completely different millennium said, "The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun."

    Just like the generals who always begin preparing for the next war, by assuming it will be like the last war, human beings are always slightly behind the curve, in political and social issues. Most of the  human history that the average person understands consists of wars fought, and the human screw-ups that occurred between them. There were a lot of bright spots that actually occurred during the worst of the dark times, but treachery and torture sells much better than human enlightenment, and the opportunists always 'make hay while the sun shines.'
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 22,278 Senior Member
    Yeah party constituencies shift. The Republican's stole most of the southern racists and the Democrats stole most of the North Eastern "Rockefeller Republicans".
    Well, like most generalizations, this one is wrong. The 'southern racists' you point out NEVER joined the Republican party as a whole. While SOME of them became enlightened as to their wrong headed thinking, the core never left that camp. Those in that core are still there, but they have learned to keep that racism tamped down so it doesn't show outwardly. As to the Northern racists, you sure have turned a blind eye to that mess. I think your knowledge of history is limited to the extreme, almost to be nil. The North became virulently racist before the War Between the States, and remained so well into the 20th century. But you wouldn't know that if your knowledge of history is limited to what you were 'indoctrinated with' in primary school, secondary school, and college; THAT part of history has been thoroughly scrubbed from textbooks; winners get to write the history, don't cha know.

    Southern Democrats of the moderate (and not racist stripe) got fed up with the tax and spend National Democrat Party and left it for the Republican party that was more fiscally frugal, on the national level. On the local level, those that ran for office that didn't promise 'a chicken in every pot' and were on fiscally sound platforms fared better in the Democrat ticket and for the most part got elected over their Republican counterparts. By the end of the 1960s the Democrats in Dixie were pretty much fed up with LBJs Great Society mess, and it got worse in the '70s. And then Jimmy Carter drove a few more nails in the coffin of the Southern Democrat party, including the conservative Dixiecrats.

    I don't know where you're getting your ideas, but they do provide some amusement.
    Non Sibi Sed Patriage (Not for self, but country)



  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,438 Senior Member
    tennmike said:
    Yeah party constituencies shift. The Republican's stole most of the southern racists and the Democrats stole most of the North Eastern "Rockefeller Republicans".
    I don't know where you're getting your ideas, but they do provide some amusement.
    I liked your entire answer, but I'm just quoting the last sentence, because it typifies the type of crap good ol' Alph pushes on this forum. In the 9 years I've been around here, I've have yet to see Alph post something that says "I don't know." I guess that makes him a know-it-all. Pretty obnoxious position to put himself in.
    Political correctness is a liberal degrading of the freedom of speech. George Orwell's 1984 famously incorporated the notion of limiting thought through language (see Newspeak)." Meanwhile, the beatings will continue until morale improves around here.
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