Kel-tec pmc-30

jaywaptijaywapti Senior MemberPosts: 4,128 Senior Member
Just talked with the police chief about the K-T PMC30, 30 rds. of .22 WMR in a small light carry pistol, i know they had some problems with the early one's feeding that they have cleared up, and they dont recomend using Armscor/fiocchi ammo. I know that my PC is going to get one, do'es anyone here have any experance with them.

JAY
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 21,564 Senior Member
    They had problems with the early ones that were fitted with slow twist barrels that caused keyholing. They also had some other problems and stopped shipping for a few months while they sorted everything out. I've been on the waiting list going on about a year now.
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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 7,794 Senior Member
    Saw one on the case at the range last week. Looks interesting and price didn't seem too bad.
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,481 Senior Member
    jaywapti wrote: »
    Just talked with the police chief about the K-T PMC30, 30 rds. of .22 WMR in a small light carry pistol, i know they had some problems with the early one's feeding that they have cleared up, and they dont recomend using Armscor/fiocchi ammo. I know that my PC is going to get one, do'es anyone here have any experance with them.

    JAY

    I don't understand, can you explain ????

    What is the purpose ??? off duty carry ? special purpose duty carry ??? Detectives ? undercover use ? narcotics ops ?? CCW ??

    Out of such a short pistol barrel will it perform much better than a high velocity .22 LR or just waste unburned powder ??

    I could see it as an entry carbine with at least a 10 inch barrel.
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  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 4,128 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    I don't understand, can you explain ????

    What is the purpose ??? off duty carry ? special purpose duty carry ??? Detectives ? undercover use ? narcotics ops ?? CCW ??

    Out of such a short pistol barrel will it perform much better than a high velocity .22 LR or just waste unburned powder ??

    I could see it as an entry carbine with at least a 10 inch barrel.


    Purpose--- ccw & off duty cary

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    THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 22,652 Senior Member
    What is the purpose ???
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,481 Senior Member
    NN wrote: »
    alligator hunting

    Better off with a revolver in .44 special.
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  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 4,128 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    Better off with a revolver in .44 special.

    I have a Charter Arms Bulldog in 44 spc and a 38, 9mm, and 45. The thing that interested me was it's small and lite, can be carried in a coat or jacket pocket, recoil recovery time would be quicker, the fact it has 30 rounds. Just something to think about.

    JAY
    THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
  • Uncle BSUncle BS Member Posts: 380 Member
    And I thought that fiveseven was ugly. hope it comes with a paper bag.
    cpj wrote: »
    Wow. I never knew I enjoyed grilled foreskin.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,481 Senior Member
    Uncle BS wrote: »
    And I thought that fiveseven was ugly. hope it comes with a paper bag.

    With a 4.3 inch something inch barrel, I can't see it doing much better than a comparable gun in .22 LR, perhaps bullet type gives better performance ??
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  • Uncle BSUncle BS Member Posts: 380 Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    With a 4.3 inch something inch barrel, I can't see it doing much better than a comparable gun in .22 LR, perhaps bullet type gives better performance ??

    The next one will be chambered in .204 Ruger. Its not about muzzle velocity, its all about the blast of unspent powder leaving the muzzle.:jester:
    cpj wrote: »
    Wow. I never knew I enjoyed grilled foreskin.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,481 Senior Member
    Uncle BS wrote: »
    The next one will be chambered in .204 Ruger. Its not about muzzle velocity, its all about the blast of unspent powder leaving the muzzle.:jester:



    That was the purpose of the AMT Automag in .30 cal carbine, if the round did not get the bad guy, the fireball might wow him enough to make him flee for his very life.
    Also to annoy the living snot out of everyone else at the range before the RSO kicks you out.

    I used to shout: "You otta heah boy !!!!"
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 30,201 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    That was the purpose of the AMT Automag in .30 cal carbine, if the round did not get the bad guy, the fireball might wow him enough to make him flee for his very life.
    Also to annoy the living snot out of everyone else at the range before the RSO kicks you out.

    I used to shout: "You otta heah boy !!!!"

    I own and have set aside an AMT Auto Mag III in .30 Carbine for my nephew to pick up. True it is "Loud" and has some ferocious muzzle blast, but if proper hearing and eye protection are being worn as they should be by everyone on the range, it's no worse than a 3" or 4" .357 loaded with 2400 powder max loads.
    I think the muzzle blast just scares people off. In other words its bark is worse than its bite, so to speak.

    People see the flash and think its some sort of Super magnum, it's not.

    Also, the .22 Magnum from a handgun (6" bbl) gives about the same velocity as a .22 LR from a rifle, but with a 40 (nominal) grain bullet. Now even 50 grainers are available in the .22 Mag, as well as lighter 30/33 grainers with TNT or Gold Dot bullets.

    What I'd like to know is what velocity this pistol has with the 40 grain bullets? No cylinder to forcing cone/barrel gap to lose velocity should give it a slight boost like shooting .45 ACP from a 1911 vs a revolver.

    I know the BEST results for the .22 Magnum and the .30 Carbine are acheived using the rifles/carbines the cartridge was designed to give optimal performance out of.

    I think a comapny called Grendal in FLA had a 30 shot .22 Magnum on the market years ago, it also had some issues.
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,481 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    I own and have set aside an AMT Auto Mag III in .30 Carbine for my nephew to pick up. True it is "Loud" and has some ferocious muzzle blast, but if proper hearing and eye protection are being worn as they should be by everyone on the range, it's no worse than a 3" or 4" .357 loaded with 2400 powder max loads.
    I think the muzzle blast just scares people off. In other words its bark is worse than its bite, so to speak.

    People see the flash and think its some sort of Super magnum, it's not.

    Also, the .22 Magnum from a handgun (6" bbl) gives about the same velocity as a .22 LR from a rifle, but with a 40 (nominal) grain bullet. Now even 50 grainers are available in the .22 Mag, as well as lighter 30/33 grainers with TNT or Gold Dot bullets.

    What I'd like to know is what velocity this pistol has with the 40 grain bullets? No cylinder to forcing cone/barrel gap to lose velocity should give it a slight boost like shooting .45 ACP from a 1911 vs a revolver.

    I know the BEST results for the .22 Magnum and the .30 Carbine are acheived using the rifles/carbines the cartridge was designed to give optimal performance out of.

    I think a comapny called Grendal in FLA had a 30 shot .22 Magnum on the market years ago, it also had some issues.

    While I still drool over the AMT, anything in .22 magnum gets a big MEH / WOOF from Me as und uber expensive plinker, for that I would rather an AR carbine of some sort.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 30,201 Senior Member
    It ain't "Cheap" to shoot either, compared to regular .22 LR ammo. Went from $5-7 per # 50 to $9-13 depending on what brand/bullet.

    I thunk Hornady is making a "Personal Defense" .22 Magnum ammo now too.

    What I meant in above post is that the AMT/.22 MAG outta handguns is loud and has quite a "Crack", but it ain't no worse than a muzzle brake/BOSS on a rifle and brake/slotted-ported handguns that spew blast into adjacent shooters lanes and are very loud.

    And I think folks assume they are more "Powerful" because that are such attention getters on the range, when in reality both cartridges lose quite a bit effectiveness in handguns. However, it is the fun factor for the shooter that makes them desirable! :applause::tooth::guns:
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • shotgunshooter3shotgunshooter3 Senior Member Posts: 5,258 Senior Member
    I think it would be a fun gun to have, but I see it as more of a novelty than anything else. With a barrel that short you aren't gaining much beyond higher noise, muzzle flash, and cost by using a .22 WMR over a .22 LR. I would like to see some higher capacity .22 LR pistols, but I guess they are difficult to make function reliably.

    If they come out with a 6" version, they might have my attention. Until then my 8 3/8" Smith and Wesson 48-4 will do the job I need a .22 WMR handgun to do quite well.
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,481 Senior Member
    I always chuckle when I see those tiny short barreled NAA revolvers in .22 WMR, I had one in .22 LR, but I have reservations about .22 WMR in such short barrels.

    Most likely .22 shorts are best out of such tiny short barreled guns such as the NAA mini revolvers.
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  • Win73Win73 Member Posts: 41 Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    I always chuckle when I see those tiny short barreled NAA revolvers in .22 WMR, I had one in .22 LR, but I have reservations about .22 WMR in such short barrels.

    Most likely .22 shorts are best out of such tiny short barreled guns such as the NAA mini revolvers.

    I once ran a penetration test comparing .22 Mag out of a mini revolver to .22 LR out of an Iver Johnson TP22 to .22 Short out of a Beretta Minx. The results? The LR penetrated most, the Short came in second, and the Mag was last.
    (Luke 11:21 KJV) When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:
    (Luke 22:36 KJV) Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

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