I'm looking to buy new CCW 9mm compact...please advise

Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior MemberPosts: 6,290 Senior Member
I currently have a solid stainless, Walther PPK-S as my primary carry weapon. The magazine holds 7+1 rounds. I want to get a new, lighter weight compact 9mm that holds at least 10+1 rounds. I went to "CheaperThanDirt.com" just to get a reference for handguns that are selling for $400.00 or less, and found a list of the manufacturers that fit into the category that I am looking for. Mostly in order of price (low to high) is the following list:
SCCY Industries
Kel-Tek
Cobra Enterprises
Taurus
Smith & Wesson
Century Arms
Diamondback
Kahr Arms
Bersa
FNH
Ruger
EAA

I am interested in your opinions of the brands with the best quality and features for the money, and which brands to stay away from and why. I am willing to spend up to $400 for a decent gun, but cheaper is always good too.
Political correctness is a liberal degrading of the freedom of speech. George Orwell's 1984 famously incorporated the notion of limiting thought through language (see Newspeak)." Meanwhile, the beatings will continue until morale improves around here.
«13

Comments

  • gatorgator Senior Member Posts: 1,679 Senior Member
    The only one on your list that I have any experiance with is the Ruger SR9c and I am pleased with mine.
    I have over 1000 rounds through mine with zero failures.
    It has an external safety that I see as a plus,A loaded chamber indicator that at first I did not like and was going to disable but now I see it as a plus also.
    The one thing that most here do not like is the mag disconect,and I understand their concerns but in some ways I can see it as a plus also.For example if a BG is trying to wrestle my gun from my I might just drop the mag let him have the useless gun and go for my bug or knife.
    The one thing I don't like is the ambidextrous mag rel,I had to modify a kydex holster because when I sat down the edge of the holster hit on the mag rel and would pop the mag part way out.I have thought about grinding the button on the right side flush with the frame so that could never happen again.
    All in all I like the gun alot and carry it every day.However it was $500
    USMC 80-84
    -96 lbs
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 6,590 Senior Member
    I've been favorably impressed by the couple of Ruger SR9's that I've shot - 1911 style safety operation, not much extraneous trigger movement, a pretty low bore axis, and you aren't diving into Brand X territory.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • ChuckXXChuckXX Banned Posts: 103 Member
    I really love my CZ 75P-01 "compact". I love the "14 round mag capacity". Very accurate and definitely a well made pistol. Take a look at one and I think you will agree.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,481 Senior Member
    Try some of Khar's compacts, now on sale at around $370 or so.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • gatorgator Senior Member Posts: 1,679 Senior Member
    I have shot my buddy's P9 and its a fine gun but I thought the OP wanted a dbl stack 10 rnd gun.
    USMC 80-84
    -96 lbs
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 7,792 Senior Member
    The one thing you may have to compromise on is mag capacity. Most of the smaller compact 9's are single stack with 6-7 rnd capacity. Of your list i'd look at kahr, keltec, and ruger.
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member Posts: 5,338 Senior Member
    The one thing you may have to compromise on is mag capacity. Most of the smaller compact 9's are single stack with 6-7 rnd capacity. Of your list i'd look at kahr, keltec, and ruger.

    :that: Except for the Keltec and Ruger part. Kahr.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,481 Senior Member
    :that:

    Khar !!

    Or Khaaaaaaaaannnn !!!!!! :jester:
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • tv_racin_fantv_racin_fan Senior Member Posts: 617 Senior Member
    gator wrote: »
    I have shot my buddy's P9 and its a fine gun but I thought the OP wanted a dbl stack 10 rnd gun.

    He did sorta say that. Knocks the Kahr out of the running eh? That is not so good.

    Whats a Glock 26 go for? EERRR $499 at Buds...

    Still were it me AND I wanted lighter weight I would go with the Kahr CW9. $362 at Buds. You might want even smaller in which case I would go with the CM9, $399 at Buds. The CW9 is 7+1 and the CM9 is 6+1. I prefer the K9 myself but the wife has a CW9 and it aint gettin sold if I have anything to do with it.
  • LMLarsenLMLarsen Senior Member Posts: 8,156 Senior Member
    Used to own a Kahr and it was a great little pistol; sold it when S&W brought out their M&P Compact, which the Wife soon appropriated for her own CCW use. Now my only compact 9mm is my Kel-Tec P9, which is a lot lighter and a bit thinner than the Kahr, but which has been every bit as reliable. It's my regular hot-weather carry.
    “A gun is a tool, no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that.”

    NRA Endowment Member
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 8,967 Senior Member
    BPsniper wrote: »
    Off your list, my choice would be Kahr.

    Yup. The Kahr MK9 is my choice as a deep carry gun.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,290 Senior Member
    Thanks for your suggestions. I like the Kahr and Kel-Tek models, but I really want to try and get something with the 10+1 round capacity, so I'll have to weigh all factors and make a decision. Is there anything bad about S&W? They have a model that can hold 10+1 rounds.
    Political correctness is a liberal degrading of the freedom of speech. George Orwell's 1984 famously incorporated the notion of limiting thought through language (see Newspeak)." Meanwhile, the beatings will continue until morale improves around here.
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 7,792 Senior Member
    At 10+1 you're probably looking at glock, m&p, xd, sr9 compacts. All are great pistols from my understanding, just a matter or preference. Those will all probably be in the 450-550 range new though , but may be able to find a deal on a used model.
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Plenty of good quality compact 9mm pistols out there, the problem you face is having time to look at all the possibles.

    I got my girlfriend a nice Kahr P9. It's comfy to shoot, reliable, accurate, good looking, and price was reasonable. But there are many other fine pistols.

    Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,290 Senior Member
    gator wrote: »
    The only one on your list that I have any experiance with is the Ruger SR9c and I am pleased with mine..........However it was $500
    I like the Ruger SR9c a lot. Looks nice and seems to have a lot of nice features, especially that it will take a 10 and a 17 round magazine...that's what I'm talkin' about! Cheaper Than Dirt sells it for $390.50. Unfortunately, the 5 different models they have of the SR9c are all out of stock.
    Political correctness is a liberal degrading of the freedom of speech. George Orwell's 1984 famously incorporated the notion of limiting thought through language (see Newspeak)." Meanwhile, the beatings will continue until morale improves around here.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,481 Senior Member
    Reminds Me of the old gun shop joke, sure, We sell X model gun at that price too, when it is out of stock.........
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 9,659 Senior Member
    In a 10+1, I would go XD sub-compact in the just over $400 category. I have a CZ RAMI that is a great shooting compact, if you like DA/SA. Mine had feed problems, but a trip to the factory fixed that and I think the newer models are OK.

    I carry a Kahr K-40 when I want something smaller. It is the all steel version of their popular P-Models. I also have a K-9, with CT Lasergrips that is a very fine carry pistol. But, I hear a lot of good things about the Keltec P-9 (single stack), and if all of those things are true, it's the best bargain out there.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,290 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    Reminds Me of the old gun shop joke, sure, We sell X model gun at that price too, when it is out of stock.........
    Do you think that's a marketing ploy?
    Political correctness is a liberal degrading of the freedom of speech. George Orwell's 1984 famously incorporated the notion of limiting thought through language (see Newspeak)." Meanwhile, the beatings will continue until morale improves around here.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,481 Senior Member
    That is My take on it.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,290 Senior Member
    Unless I find a better deal, I'm probably going to go with the Kel-Tec P11HC @ $309.00. It has the features I'm looking for, and it's not terribly expensive. I could spend more, but I'm inclined to try and get the best quality I can for the least amount of money...and this store is within a half-hour drive from me. I don't have to bother with internet shopping. Here's a link:

    http://www.shoot-straight.com/p-121-p11hc.aspx
    Political correctness is a liberal degrading of the freedom of speech. George Orwell's 1984 famously incorporated the notion of limiting thought through language (see Newspeak)." Meanwhile, the beatings will continue until morale improves around here.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,481 Senior Member
    I saw it cheaper !!!

    Buds has it cheaper at $ 244 shipped to your FFL.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,875 Senior Member
    The Kel-Tec is a good choice, or start looking for a cheap used Glock 19 if capacity is your primary criteria. They can be found well below $400 if you take your time.

    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=274672958

    Luis
    Wielding the Hammer of Thor first requires you to lift and carry the Hammer of Thor. - Bigslug
  • tv_racin_fantv_racin_fan Senior Member Posts: 617 Senior Member
    I stopped at the local shop yesterday while out runnin an errand.

    I checked out a couple of Glocks then remarked I dont see the appeal. The guy said you would if you shot one. I simply said meh, it don't fit my hand. he said then buy something that does and he can't shoot a Sig because it don't fit his hand. I carry the Kahr K9 but just to be flat honest it don't fit my hand exactly either. However it is a tad small which I can fix where the Glock felt a bit thick.

    I need to get my wifes CW9 to the range since I added one of those grip sleaves to see if it feels better in my hand while shooting. The CW is just a tad bit thinner than the K9 in the grip.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 9,659 Senior Member
    I passed on the Keltec P-11, before I started buying Kahrs (I have had a PM-9 and a P-45 that I traded for the K-40 and K-9), because at the time, quite a few of them were known to have feed problems that the P-9 apparently was not having. That may have been corrected, but I'm still leery about them.

    As for 'fitting my hand,' I don't worry about that so much any more, if it is a good shooter, because a good grip and enough practice will make a compact work well enough, in my experience. The Kahrs have a short trigger reach, which makes it hard for a person with big hands to master, but after spending many range sessions learning to shoot the Ruger LCP, which is even smaller, the Kahrs work well enough for a small pistol. I no longer carry the LCP, or any other .380, but the Kahrs now fit within my comfort zone.

    In my opinion, a compact pistol is just something to get by with, when I can't carry something that I shoot better, like an XD or 1911.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,290 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    I saw it cheaper !!! Buds has it cheaper at $ 244 shipped to your FFL.
    I'm assuming you're talking about budsgunshop.com. I went there, and the specific model I want with the 10+1 capacity and the hard-chrome slide is $277 and out of stock. I think the one you zeroed in on at their list was the black model P-11 for $242.

    BTW, do you have any idea how much the FFL transfer fees are in general. I realize different dealers will have different fees, but I just need an approximation so I can decide if it's worth going through the wait and the extra effort for the savings.
    Political correctness is a liberal degrading of the freedom of speech. George Orwell's 1984 famously incorporated the notion of limiting thought through language (see Newspeak)." Meanwhile, the beatings will continue until morale improves around here.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,290 Senior Member
    ......I carry the Kahr K9 but just to be flat honest it don't fit my hand exactly either. However it is a tad small which I can fix where the Glock felt a bit thick.......
    Fitting my hand is something I need to be concerned about. I'm 6'2", and have big hands and feet, so I'll definitely need to hold one in the "flesh." My current CCW, as I mentioned in the OP is a Walther PPK .380, so I'll have to compare the amount of grip I can attain with the Kel-Tek, as opposed to the Walther.
    Political correctness is a liberal degrading of the freedom of speech. George Orwell's 1984 famously incorporated the notion of limiting thought through language (see Newspeak)." Meanwhile, the beatings will continue until morale improves around here.
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 16,563 Senior Member

    BTW, do you have any idea how much the FFL transfer fees are in general.
    It is COMPLETELY dependent on the dealer. Just among the few local dealers, price for a transfer can range from $25 to $100

    Only way I know to find out is call them up, "Hi, I was wondering what you charge for a FFL transfer? (their answer) Thank you and have a nice day. Goodbye"
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,290 Senior Member
    knitepoet wrote: »
    It is COMPLETELY dependent on the dealer. Just among the few local dealers, price for a transfer can range from $25 to $100. Only way I know to find out is call them up.....
    Yeah, I will definitely call if I decide to go that route. Internet gun stores have a link to find area FFL's. $25 would be worth the effort, but not $100, in my case. I guess it would depend on the difference of the cost of the gun on the internet and buying at the LGS.
    Political correctness is a liberal degrading of the freedom of speech. George Orwell's 1984 famously incorporated the notion of limiting thought through language (see Newspeak)." Meanwhile, the beatings will continue until morale improves around here.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,481 Senior Member
    I pay $25 for one transfer, and if I order two firearms the first is $25 and each additional gun is $20.

    Well so many people say the Keltec trigger is reaslly heavy, is there a way to fix that ?
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • tv_racin_fantv_racin_fan Senior Member Posts: 617 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    I passed on the Keltec P-11, before I started buying Kahrs (I have had a PM-9 and a P-45 that I traded for the K-40 and K-9), because at the time, quite a few of them were known to have feed problems that the P-9 apparently was not having. That may have been corrected, but I'm still leery about them.

    As for 'fitting my hand,' I don't worry about that so much any more, if it is a good shooter, because a good grip and enough practice will make a compact work well enough, in my experience. The Kahrs have a short trigger reach, which makes it hard for a person with big hands to master, but after spending many range sessions learning to shoot the Ruger LCP, which is even smaller, the Kahrs work well enough for a small pistol. I no longer carry the LCP, or any other .380, but the Kahrs now fit within my comfort zone.

    In my opinion, a compact pistol is just something to get by with, when I can't carry something that I shoot better, like an XD or 1911.

    I totally agree. The issue I have with the Glock is it is too thick. A bit thin or short in the length to trigger I can live with but thick or long in reach I can not.

    The grip frame on the Ruger Old Army seems a bit small to me. My pinky hangs off the bottom depending on how I grip it and for a big ole 7 1/2" barreled hog leg that just don't feel right.
«13

Leave a Comment

BoldItalicStrikethroughOrdered listUnordered list
Emoji
Image
Align leftAlign centerAlign rightToggle HTML viewToggle full pageToggle lights
Drop image/file