Best cheap Ar-15

mattpusamattpusa New MemberPosts: 6 New Member
whats the best but cheapest are 15 I can find for under a grand ? using it for hog hunting and yote hunting and zombies just in case:roll:

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  • BullgatorBullgator Member Posts: 393 Member
    Look at the S&W M&P15 Sport. It gets great reviews for such an inexpensive (just over $600) AR. I couldn't resist the temptation when I saw one at the LGS. I got the rifle, two Magpul PMAGs (the rifle comes with one PMAG stock), a Konus T1 Micro knockoff, and riser for $800 out the door. Haven't got a chance to take it to the range yet.

    Not sure I'd hunt hog with a .223 though but to each his own.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 9,653 Senior Member
    Bullgator wrote: »
    Not sure I'd hunt hog with a .223 though but to each his own.

    I'm on the fence about this. Obviously, a grown up hog is not going to be stopped by a .22 bullet unless it hits the brain, spinal cord, or can make it through to the heart-lung system. But, a .223 can be fired accurately enough to do that, especially from a rested position, and I have a good track record of making one shot kills, so I intend to try it. Most folks want a semi-auto rifle for hog hunting because they want to make multiple kills and aren't that concerned about wounding. I understand the need to eliminate this scourge and don't look down on folks that take this approach. It just isn't my way.
  • mkk41mkk41 Banned Posts: 1,932 Senior Member
    Bullgator wrote: »
    Look at the S&W M&P15 Sport. It gets great reviews for such an inexpensive (just over $600) AR. I couldn't resist the temptation when I saw one at the LGS. I got the rifle, two Magpul PMAGs (the rifle comes with one PMAG stock), a Konus T1 Micro knockoff, and riser for $800 out the door. Haven't got a chance to take it to the range yet.

    Not sure I'd hunt hog with a .223 though but to each his own.

    A friend just bought a S&W Sport for $612. Very nicely made carbine.

    And I agree about it being a bit light for a big hog.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 20,682 Senior Member
    Bisley, try the Speer 70 grain. It being a semi spitzer will stabilize well and especially in your 1-8 twist barrel. They penetrate well. They don't have a radically high BC, but they are deadly out to 200-300 yards. There's also a lot of true Spitzers with higher BCs out there that are 65-70 grain that will stabilize well in your rifle. But like you said, a brain or spine shot is where it's at on a hog and it's not difficult to do with a good accurate .223. Just put it in his ear. He'll go down regardless of size.
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 9,653 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Bisley, try the Speer 70 grain. It being a semi spitzer will stabilize well and especially in your 1-8 twist barrel. They penetrate well. They don't have a radically high BC, but they are deadly out to 200-300 yards. There's also a lot of true Spitzers with higher BCs out there that are 65-70 grain that will stabilize well in your rifle. But like you said, a brain or spine shot is where it's at on a hog and it's not difficult to do with a good accurate .223. Just put it in his ear. He'll go down regardless of size.

    I'm first going to see what kind of terminal results I get with the Hornady Match hollow points. They are not really designed for game, but I don't know how much difference that is really going to make with a .22 caliber. At these velocities, I assume it will tumble when encountering something solid. No matter what bullet it is, it has to be delivered to the right spot, on larger animals.

    I could be convinced otherwise about bullet selection, but unless that happens, I'll try to find out for myself.
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 8,451 Senior Member
    Often see the Busshmaster ORC (Optics Ready Carbine) for sale under $700......

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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 8,967 Senior Member
    mattpusa wrote: »
    whats the best but cheapest are 15 I can find for under a grand ? using it for hog hunting and yote hunting and zombies just in case:roll:


    The best AR for hunting for under a grand is the DPMS Oracle 7.62. But it is an AR-10 in .308/ 7.62 Nato:
    http://www.dpmsinc.com/308-ORACLE-ATACS_ep_98-1.html
    (MSRP is $1099, but you can get it retail for $950)

    If you MUST have a .223/ 5.56, then go for the Bushmaster that jpb posted.
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 13,528 Senior Member
    DPMS Oracle also comes in a AR15 configuration...with about a $650.00 price point... Mine is a solid performer..
    There is also the DPMS Sportical - no dust cover or Forward Assist...

    The Stag Arms Model 3 is an excellent buy in the $700.00 neck of the woods...

    You will need to add the cost of sights or optics to the overall cost of the rifle...
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  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 8,451 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    DPMS Oracle also comes in a AR15 configuration...with about a $650.00 price point... Mine is a solid performer..
    There is also the DPMS Sportical - no dust cover or Forward Assist...

    The Stag Arms Model 3 is an excellent buy in the $700.00 neck of the woods...

    You will need to add the cost of sights or optics to the overall cost of the rifle...

    Or brass deflector. Needed if you shoot correct handed (aka left handed)....
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  • 1965Jeff1965Jeff Senior Member Posts: 1,540 Senior Member
    I 2nd the DPMS sportical I bought one a year ago for mainly coyote / plinking and am very satisfied with it.
  • mattpusamattpusa New Member Posts: 6 New Member
    I really want something with a dust cover, it can get pretty nasty here in louisiana. what about the spike st-15 m4 carbine? and what does it mean when they say carbine???
  • WeatherbyWeatherby Senior Member Posts: 4,345 Senior Member
    I don't know what your best choice may wind up being but you could look for something in the AR15 platform other than 223.You could get one in 6.5 that may make a better hog gun
  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,021 Senior Member
    mattpusa wrote: »
    I really want something with a dust cover, it can get pretty nasty here in louisiana. what about the spike st-15 m4 carbine? and what does it mean when they say carbine???

    Spikes makes/assembles GREAT stuff. Can't really be beat for the money.
  • JKPJKP Senior Member Posts: 1,628 Senior Member
    Bushmaster or Stag Arms. Spike's Tactical doesn't make anything - they just buy parts and assemble them in a small warehouse in central FL. They also put a really obnoxious label on their stuff...

    Carbine just refers to a lighter weight model typically with a 16" barrel.
  • mattpusamattpusa New Member Posts: 6 New Member
    someone told me that one of the bushmaster carbines which around 750 is an all plastic reciever
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 8,451 Senior Member
    mattpusa wrote: »
    someone told me that one of the bushmaster carbines which around 750 is an all plastic reciever

    That is the Carbon-15. I've seen those for $599.

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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 13,528 Senior Member
    It appears that you might want to do a little research...go to the various manufactures websites and examine their offeriings...see what trips your trigger.
    Don't get too wrapped up in brands...remember, your could disassemble a DPMS, Rock River, Bushmaster, Stag, etc etc....throw the parts in a big pile, stir the pile with a canoe paddle,
    and still reassemble a reliable rifle....there just ISN'T that much difference.....really....

    However, avoid anything marked "Hess"
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  • glockman0422glockman0422 Member Posts: 216 Member
    mattpusa wrote: »
    I really want something with a dust cover, it can get pretty nasty here in louisiana. what about the spike st-15 m4 carbine? and what does it mean when they say carbine???

    This is my Spikes tactical M-4 LE carbine. Granted, it has been modified a bit but the stock rifle is a great platform to start with. They offer features that other companies charge extra for. If you can find one i would highly recommend you get it.You just cant beat it for the money and i promise you wont regret it. As far as the "Carbine" question, all that means is that it has a shorter barrel (16 inch) and a short gas system(M-4 Style). The other models are either "rifles" which feature longer barrels and gas systems and then there is also mid length models that have 16inch barrels but medium length gas systems. But for what you want it, the carbine should serve you well. Now to address the ammo part, take a look at this video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZPGSiDs5_k&feature=plcp ) it goes to show that with the right ammo the .556 can be devastating. Im sure if you put one of these right in a boars ear it will do the job. There are other great offerings like 75gr. hornady superformance that comes in HP and also flextip bullets. very nasty stuff. Hope this helps

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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 13,528 Senior Member
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    The base gun for this carbine was a DPMS Oracle...as with glockman...added pieces parts to come up with what I wanted for a truck gun...
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  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,527 Senior Member
    mattpusa wrote: »
    whats the best but cheapest

    I love that phrase.
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 12,551 Senior Member
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    Del-Ton Mid-Length Carbine kit, $638 with some minor upgrades (stock, trigger, grip.)
    ProMag Red Dot Sight mount, $77 at MidwayUSA
    Bushnell Red Dot, $85 at MidwayUSA
    DPMS Fixed Rear Sight, $70 at MidwayUSA
    VTAC Padded Sling, $41 at MidwayUSA
    Lower: $100 or less.

    Total, without mags: $1011.

    The light added a bit more, but you may not need it.
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