308, 7-08 or 6.5 Creedmore

FreezerFreezer Senior MemberPosts: 1,325 Senior Member
My wife is considering hunting with me. When she passes her hunters safety course she deserves a present. I decided on a new rifle. I have chosen the Savage Lady hunter it will wear a Leupold VXII. She's not of large stature and may be recoil sensitive with this light rifle. That said I'm considering the above calibers. I'm a long time handloader so ammo availability isn't an issue. We will hunt Blacktail deer, pig and black bear. How about an opinion and supporting argument.
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  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 36,356 Senior Member
    7oh8 and the 6.5 will have better long range balistics. Which may or may not matter to you. You can get a heavier bullet in the 308. Which may matter for black bear, then again you can get heavy enough 7mm bullets that would be suitable for Yogi.

    The 308 could have a little more recoil depending on bullet selection.

    I vote for the 7-08. Brass is easily sized from 308 brass if need be. Balistics are better than the 308, but not as good as the 6.5. Of course none of them would be a bad choice.
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  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 6,669 Senior Member
    7-08 or if she is recoil sensitive, the 6.5 Creedmore

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  • shootershooter Senior Member Posts: 1,186 Senior Member
    The 7-08 seems most appropriate for the game you've listed and is not a heavy recoiling round. I have two 7-08 carbines and they are a joy to pack around. (Rem 700 and Rem 788)

    Since you''re a reloader, you could probably get the same result with the 308 and specifically tailored light recoil handloads, but I'd lean toward the 7-08.
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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 16,404 Senior Member
    Add another vote for the 7-08
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  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 6,531 Senior Member
    I figure if the Soviets can field large quantities of highly effective female snipers wielding 7.62x54R's with steel buttplates on stocks designed by a sadist to magnify felt recoil, your gal shouldn't have any trouble adjusting to a lil' ole' .308 with a good stock that has rubber at the stern. How that round kicks depends a great deal on what you load it with, and there's a lot to be said for the HUGE availability of components.

    You've got a lot of good choices for bullets in the 7-08, but I don't think you're going to be feeling less recoil than the .308 - bullet weights and velocities are pretty close for both.

    I'm not terribly thrilled by what I'm seeing for velocities and top-listed bullet weights for the Creedmoor. It's a competition cartridge designed for playing a specific game, and it does that very well, but it's lacking case capacity if you want to go searching for versatility. I'd be looking at the .260 Remington if I were looking for a short action 6.5mm.

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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 20,380 Senior Member
    I'd go with the 7mm-08 with a bullet in the 140 grain class. That will kill any black bear i would imagine, plus it will have a shade less recoil than a .308. If I went with a 6.5, I'd probably go with the .260 Remington instead of the Creedmore. You see alot more ammo around for it. Also, brass is easier to come by, it being of the .308 Win. case family.
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  • gunrunner428gunrunner428 Senior Member Posts: 1,018 Senior Member
    I'm on the 7mm-08 bandwagon here. Especially with Sixgun's reports of its effectiveness on his African safari (plains game, mostly IIRC) from a short time ago.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 13,377 Senior Member
    Another vote for the 7mm-08...my wife really enjoys hers and shoots it well....

    Of course, since you're looking for a gun for a small woman...the .270 deserves consideration party-smiley-004.gif
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  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,322 Senior Member
    Well since you mentioned blacktail, I'm going to assume you are in the PNW, so long distance ballistics and such really won't come into play much, right? If that is the case, I'd go 308. Although you mentioned pigs...so California is probably more likely. Hmm...meh, I'd still go 308. Although the 6.5 would be fun to play with! Especially in a light rifle like that.
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  • DalebowDalebow Member Posts: 45 Member
    6.5 creedmoor, better ballistics than the other two and it has almost no recoil, well less than any of my 243's. the factory loaded superformance 129sst and 120gmx have taken everything now from small deer, bear, Elk to Kudu and Gemsbok. I have a cooper in it, a Ruger target, the DPMS, and have a custom one being built, its a matter of hitting the animal where it counts.

    Ive made bad shots on Elk with my 300 and lost em, people will argue get the biggest gun and it helps if you mess up, well hitting them in the boiler room is what is needed. There is a little lady, she is 17, 5' tall 100 pounds that took the sheep slam last year with a 260 rem in a Kimber 84m, she has killed grizzly, moose, mtn goat, all with one stop shots. go out west and hunt they all carry 3006 and 2506 for everything, some of the eclectic ones carry a 257 bob, point being 308 kicks, 7mm-08 less, 6.5 creedmoor is the least with supurb accuracy and they are just fun to shoot. Just my 2 cents from a guy that actually owns a fes 6.5 creedmoors.
  • 41magnut41magnut Senior Member Posts: 1,095 Senior Member
    No flies on any of them.

    7-08. My son has used one to good effect since he was 16. Have heard it refered to as a short action 7x57. Right bullet in the right place what's not to like? Factory ammo can be a bit hard to find if you go to a remote area and forget to bring some or someone loses your ammo for you (i.e.Airline or so on).

    308W. Everything good, nothing bad to save about this one. Like the 30-06 and other 308 cal rounds plenty of bullet selection (since you are a hand loader) More than likely ammo can be bought in any area. Plenty of factory ammo to choose from, reduced recoil to turbo charged. As a hand loader you can make up your own reducded recoil ammo (factory fodder replicates 30-30 velocity, and performance/recoil) and as your significant other gains proficiency, desire, or need for more horse power move up the ladder. Same can be done with the 7-08 for that matter.

    6-5 Creedmoor. This one has been calling my name since I first heard about it. My interest has been as a NRA high power competition round. Currently amassing components for load developement, rifle choice will be made soon. As I learn more about this cartridge, for HP, mid and long range competition, the more I like it. I certainly see it's usefulness as a hunting round also. In the right rifle/barrel, with the right projectile construction will carry the mail for anyone.
    Factory ammo can be scarce but supplies are getting better. A concern is can you find ammo in Pearsall TX, Euricka CA, Santa Fe NM, or Rifle CO. More than likely not.

    May I throw another Cartridge into the pot?

    Since you appear to want a short action rifle by the listing of considered cartridges.

    260 Remington.
    Kissing cousin to the 6.5 CM, with perhaps a bit faster velocity with the 140 grain projectiles. (I should look this up to confirm) 308W necked down for a .264 projectile (same as the 7-08 hench the name) Same concern as with the CM lack of availability of ammo in remote/smaller towns.

    Some might say "if we were so worried about ammo availability, we would all be shooting a 30-06". Hey, make sence to me.

    You can say what knuckle head goes hunting (or to a high power match for example) and forgets their ammo?

    If you never have, good for you. If you have, you know that sick feeling when you starting digging into your gear, then visualize that box of ammo sitting on your work bench, back @ the house!

    I had a friend's wife call (laughing so hard she could hardly breath) to ask if I had left town, and would I please come p/u her husband's rifle before I leaving.

    In the hub-bub and excitement of a long anticipated event stuff happens.

    Other than that I think any of the three would serve anyone quite nicely!

    If you buy a 308W or 7-08R you might not need to buy another rifle a couple of years later should you wife find her current armament lacking. Wait, that's not a bad perdicament to be in? Nevermind!
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  • 41magnut41magnut Senior Member Posts: 1,095 Senior Member
    More fodder for the grist mill. I got this from the Remington website and it compares the 260R, 7-08R, and the 308W. All with Rem Core-loke bullets, 140 grain for the 260 and 7-08, and 150 grain for the 308W. Remington doesn't offer ammo for the 6.5 CM so used the 260 to have a 6.5 cartridge.
    I was surprised to see how little difference there actually is between the 3.
    I think this is a pretty good apples to apples comparison of the three.

    Has your wife expressed a preference for one cartridge or another?

    Model Core-Lokt Core-Lokt Core-Lokt
    Order No. 21292 21337 27842
    Average Case Weight 11 11 10
    Ballistic Coefficient 0.435 0.390 0.314
    Caliber 260 Remington 7mm-08 Remington 308 Win.
    Energy @ 100 yrds. (ft.-lbs.) 2011 2142 2137
    Energy @ 200 yrds. (ft.-lbs.) 1712 1793 1705
    Energy @ 300 yrds. (ft.-lbs.) 1448 1490 1344
    Energy @ 400 yrds. (ft.-lbs.) 1217 1228 1048
    Energy @ 500 yrds. (ft.-lbs.) 1021 1005 810
    Energy @ Muzzle (ft.-lbs.) 2351 2542 2648
    Long-Range Trajectory @ 100 yrds. 1.9 1.8 2.0
    Long-Range Trajectory @ 150 yrds. 1.7 1.6 1.7
    Long-Range Trajectory @ 200 yrds. zero zero zero
    Long-Range Trajectory @ 250 yrds. -3.3 -3.1 -3.4
    Long-Range Trajectory @ 300 yrds. -8.3 -7.8 -8.8
    Long-Range Trajectory @ 400 yrds. -24.0 -22.9 -26.4
    Long-Range Trajectory @ 500 yrds. -47.2 -46.8 -54.8
    Short-Range Trajectory @ 100 yrds. 0.3 0.2 0.0
    Short-Range Trajectory @ 150 yrds. zero zero -1.2
    Short-Range Trajectory @ 200 yrds. -2.3 -2.1 -3.9
    Short-Range Trajectory @ 250 yrds. -6.1 -5.7 -8.4

    Short-Range Trajectory @ 300 yrds. -11.7 -11.0 -14.7
    Short-Range Trajectory @ 50 yrds. 0.3 0.2 0.0
    Velocity @ 100 yrds. (ft./sec.) 2544 2625 2533
    Velocity @ 200 yrds. (ft./sec.) 2347 2402 2263
    Velocity @ 300 yrds. (ft./sec.) 2158 2189 2009
    Velocity @ 400 yrds. (ft./sec.) 1979 1988 1774
    Velocity @ 500 yrds. (ft./sec.) 1812 1798 1560
    Index R260R1 R7M081 R308W1
    Bullet Type Pointed Soft Point Pointed Soft Point Pointed Soft Point
    Primer Number 9 1/2 9 1/2 9 1/2
    Weight 140 140 150
    Muzzle Velocity 2750 2860 2820
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  • 41magnut41magnut Senior Member Posts: 1,095 Senior Member

    Here is the data for the 6.5CM not an exact comparison as with the Remington ammo but the best I can find for the CM

    For you amazement and amusement.
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  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 6,669 Senior Member
    I think if wind drift was a part of the calculation the 260 would drift the least and the 308 the most-Just guessing

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