I Don't Believe This At All!

woodsrunnerwoodsrunner Senior MemberPosts: 2,725 Senior Member
A news release by the Associated Press earlier today:

Four out of five U.S. adults struggle with joblessness, near-poverty or reliance on welfare! I'm sorry, but I don't believe this at all. Pull the news release up and read it and tell me if I'm wrong to not believe it! Times have been bad since the crash in about 2006, but it was never this bad! Even in the Depression of the 1930's I don't think unemployment exceeded about 25% or so, did it?

Is there something sinister going on with crap like this being broadcast as news? Or am I being too suspicious? Or am I totally wrong and out of touch with reality?

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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 17,976 Senior Member
    Dummycraps are lousy at math, unless they're figuring out how to kick back money to their campaign contributors with under the table bribes. The news media is dedicated to spreading the latest lies the administration dreams up, shouting them from the rooftops. I believe we've gotten to the point that nothing can be done peacefully to stop the politicians' systematic looting of the country, and it really doesn't matter which party has their fingers in the cookie jar.
    Jerry
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  • LerchessLerchess Senior Member Posts: 550 Senior Member
    Even in the Depression of the 1930's I don't think unemployment exceeded about 25% or so, did it?

    I believe unemployment was right around 25% and another 25% were under-employed in the 30's. I know my grandpa worked 3rd shift 7 days a week for awhile and didn't take any days off just to have a job.

    I would say that AP's number is a bit high today, but folks are struggling. And there are a LOT of people getting mailbox money.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 9,415 Senior Member
    Not too many problems you can't fix
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 17,976 Senior Member
    Gene L wrote: »
    Here's the article

    Total horse manure! Even during the depression, people with the incentive to make things happen for themselves had work. My grandparents started with an insurance settlement my grandmother received for a job-related illness, and parlayed it into ownership of a coal yard, an ice plant, and a trucking business. They kept most of their neighborhood employed through all of the 1930's, built and sold several houses, and owned several other businesses including a used car lot.

    Even back then, there were people too lazy to work- - - - -carloads of coal sat waiting to be unloaded because a lot of the local "laborers" chose to work for WPA for half what my grandfather was offering to pay for shoveling coal. Of course, leaning on a shovel and doing nothing for $2.00 a day was better than getting paid $4.00 to unload a carload of coal, I guess!

    Jerry
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  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,022 Senior Member
    Lerchess wrote: »
    I believe unemployment was right around 25% and another 25% were under-employed in the 30's. I know my grandpa worked 3rd shift 7 days a week for awhile and didn't take any days off just to have a job.

    I would say that AP's number is a bit high today, but folks are struggling. And there are a LOT of people getting mailbox money.

    Heck, i've been struggling to get a day off the last 2 months. Been working 7 days a week. I have had 6 days off since June 17th, 4 of those were for the 4th and 2 this weekend (finally). There are jobs out there if your willing to ACTUALLY work. My company is searching for several more people to fill positions. But, they want people that are actually WILLING to work, no matter what. In my area U.S. Steel is practically begging for people to fill positions. But, it's HARD work and they have trouble finding people to stick around.

    I do not mean this post to be pro obamalama, but, there are jobs out there IF you have put your time in to have SOMEWHAT of a skill. I lost my job at Solar Power Industries 2 years ago. Thankfully, I qualified for TRA benefits due to the fact it was a Chinese company. I was able to get free schooling and collect a whopping $220 a week in unemployment. I went to a local (over the hill) tech school for electrical maintenance. While doing that I cleaned the school and cut/weedwhacked the grounds for extra $. I also worked at a local restaurant 4 nights a week for minimum wage. It sure as hell was not easy, but I made it through.

    I unfortunately could not land a job in the electrical field right away. Every company wanted 3-5 yrs experiance. So, I applied for a job that wanted my mechanical background and CDL. I landed it no problem.

    There ARE jobs out there, no thanks to Obama, but you have to be willing to work your butt off and make yourself known. Nothing comes easy nowadays.
  • agewonagewon Senior Member Posts: 655 Senior Member
    WASHINGTON (AP) — Four out of 5 U.S. adults struggle with joblessness, near-poverty or reliance on welfare for at least parts of their lives, a sign of deteriorating economic security and an elusive American dream.

    This paragraph alone proves the merit of the stats are impossible. "For at least parts of their lives"?
    And what is the Obama administration doing playing this to the media? Isn't this against everything he's been saying? Hasn't he been the savior to our economy?
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 9,415 Senior Member
    I don't see this as being flattering at all to Obama. I don't think it's true in the larger sense, although it may be true "at least parts of their lives." I know I've been out of work at times. And lived from paycheck to paycheck for a while as well.

    But four out of five CURRENTLY? I don't think so. That would mean 20% of us were paying all the taxes, and while that's not so far off, it's not math, either. I don't remember any sources cited in the article.
    Not too many problems you can't fix
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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 7,848 Senior Member
    This is a pretty dumb article/argument. From one version I found:
    Four out of 5 U.S. adults struggle with joblessness, near-poverty or reliance on welfare for at least parts of their lives, a sign of deteriorating economic security and an elusive American dream.
    The gauge defines "economic insecurity" as a year or more of periodic joblessness, reliance on government aid such as food stamps or income below 150 percent of the poverty line. Measured across all races, the risk of economic insecurity rises to 79 percent.

    Given that 150% of the poverty line basically means working a low wage job for at least a year, just about everyone has done that at least for a year or two, even if they were in college or living with their parents or whatever.
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • ghostsniper1ghostsniper1 Banned Posts: 2,645 Senior Member
    According to my dad, his grandparents and dad didnt even know there was a depression because they were all farmers and lived off the land.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 12,602 Senior Member
    According to my dad, his grandparents and dad didnt even know there was a depression because they were all farmers and lived off the land.
    I don't find that hard to believe at all. A lot of more rural folks weren't really hit by the Depression due to how much less connected their communities were, and how many more small farms there were. They stayed largely in the same economic class before, during, and after the Depression. They still scrimped and saved, but not because they "lived" through the Great Depression. It's more because that was just the way of life. I know that was the case for my grandparents.
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 13,637 Senior Member
    According to my dad, his grandparents and dad didnt even know there was a depression because they were all farmers and lived off the land.

    Yep....when asked about the Depression a lot of folks living on ranches out west said "What depression?" "We may have missed a few paychecks, but we had a roof over our heads and full bellies.....if we needed meat, we went hunting"
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • RazorbackerRazorbacker Senior Member Posts: 4,646 Senior Member
    This is a pretty dumb article/argument. From one version I found:







    Given that 150% of the poverty line basically means working a low wage job for at least a year, just about everyone has done that at least for a year or two, even if they were in college or living with their parents or whatever.

    "We tried our plan and it worked!" Sorry alpha but there is no amount of lipstick that will pretty up this pig. these are real people suffering real problems.
    Why don't you move back in with your parents or work a low wage job for a year and get back with me.
    Teach your children to love guns, they'll never be able to afford drugs
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 5,684 Senior Member
    "We tried our plan and it worked!" Sorry alpha but there is no amount of lipstick that will pretty up this pig. these are real people suffering real problems.
    Why don't you move back in with your parents or work a low wage job for a year and get back with me.

    I don't know, I took Alpha's statement to mean that he found the article to be misleading, which is what I feel as well. The article is worded so that it sounds like 80% of Americans are either out of work or at least struggling. I think 80% is outrageously inflated. As Alpha pointed out, with the wording used, those descriptions could apply to just about anybody if data is taken over a wide enough time frame. Frankly, I (and my family) could be considered 'near poverty'. It all depends on how 'near' your criteria is to an arbitrary line designated by some bureaucratic functionary who neither knows anything about me, nor cares. It doesn't matter that we have enough cash saved to sit out a year without any income, what the bureaucrat thinks is all that matters.
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  • Vic's ViewpointVic's Viewpoint Senior Member Posts: 1,099 Senior Member
    What Coolgunguy said. I'm baffled by your response to Alpha's post, Razorbacker. Alpha spent YEARS pursuing higher education just so that he wouldn't have to live with his parents or work a low wage job. That doesn't mean that at no time ever in his
    life did he take advantage of enemployment insurance, nor does it mean that he has no idea what working a low wage job is like.
    Member formerly known as "vlafrank."
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 7,848 Senior Member
    What Coolgunguy said. I'm baffled by your response to Alpha's post, Razorbacker. Alpha spent YEARS pursuing higher education just so that he wouldn't have to live with his parents or work a low wage job. That doesn't mean that at no time ever in his
    life did he take advantage of enemployment insurance, nor does it mean that he has no idea what working a low wage job is like.

    Yep working night shifts at the meijer distribution center and waiting tables at the cracker barrel were pretty strong motivators to not screw off in college. Good life experiences, but not ones I'd like to repeat!
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • woodsrunnerwoodsrunner Senior Member Posts: 2,725 Senior Member
    I was under federal assistance once myself! Had food rations and assistance with housing, and drew $88.00 a month on a federal dole program! All I had to do in return was chip rust, paint and puke my guts out way out yonder in the North Atlantic Ocean :roll2: Mike, I know, and I think a few others were under that same federal program!
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 8,496 Senior Member
    I was under federal assistance once myself! Had food rations and assistance with housing, and drew $88.00 a month on a federal dole program! All I had to do in return was chip rust, paint and puke my guts out way out yonder in the North Atlantic Ocean :roll2: Mike, I know, and I think a few others were under that same federal program!

    Same as today. Any Private in the Army with a wife and a couple kids can get food stamps.....
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 21,925 Senior Member
    I was under federal assistance once myself! Had food rations and assistance with housing, and drew $88.00 a month on a federal dole program! All I had to do in return was chip rust, paint and puke my guts out way out yonder in the North Atlantic Ocean :roll2: Mike, I know, and I think a few others were under that same federal program!

    Yep. Only I got $333.00 a month for a standard average 16-20 hour days work. Y'all ain't lived yet if you haven't painted the side of the hull while underway sitting in a bosun's chair! Or painting the radar mast sitting in same in 10 foot seas. Chippin' and paintin' was every enlisted man's secondary MOS.

    It wasn't all bad, though. The ship took us to all kinds of places where the people loved our money and hated our guts! :rotflmao:
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  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 37,073 Senior Member
    I'm too lazy to google, but I think "poverty" is 20,000 per year. So 15o% is 30,000.
    Sorry, but that's not poverty.
    Or maybe it is, lets ask Jose down in old Meh-he-co.
    "I'm here for the guns, hunting, and skirt wearing men."
    Zee
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 12,602 Senior Member
    Depends on where you live and how many people are in the household. For a family of 4 in the continental U.S. it's $23,550.

    http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/13poverty.cfm
    Overkill is underrated.
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 7,848 Senior Member
    Depends on where you live and how many people are in the household. For a family of 4 in the continental U.S. it's $23,550.

    http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/13poverty.cfm

    For a single person only $11,490. For reference, full time, minimum wage is ~$14,500.
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • Pelagic KayakerPelagic Kayaker Banned Posts: 1,503 Senior Member
    You have to remember that the leftist media is comparing "poverty" with OC Housewives!
    "The reflection upon my situation and that of this army produces many an uneasy hour when all around me are wrapped in sleep. Few people know the predicament we are in" ~General George Washington, January 14, 1776
  • ghostsniper1ghostsniper1 Banned Posts: 2,645 Senior Member
    A little off subject, but my dad told a story about when he was a kid and grew up in Kentucky and spent alot of time on his grandparents farm. He told us that he had a pet pig that they were fattening up. He didnt know any better and went about his way until the pig was served up for dinner. He said he refused to eat it. Pissed his old man off something fierce lol. But he wasn't steered away from pork either way.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 9,415 Senior Member
    My mother and dad were adults during the depression. They lived on a small farm. They said there was enough food, but no money. My dad worked for less than a dollar a day. Considerably less, IIRC. Some things like shoes and clothing required money. They also told about people passing through their area who were basically starving and desperate for food.

    I remember my mother crying when we slaughtered hogs. But she got over it and we ate the meat. First eaten was tenderloin, since we had no way of preserving it. It sure was good.
    Not too many problems you can't fix
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 17,976 Senior Member
    "If it moves, salute it- - - - -if it don't move, paint it!" I don't remember what the base pay for a married USAF Airman 1st. Class was in 1969, but I do remember buying a box of saltine crackers and eating the whole thing to feel "full" once when the rent was due and the bank account was empty. Barracks rooms and no-cost food at the chow hall were only for bachelor troops. "If Uncle Sam wanted you to have a wife, he would have issued you one!"
    Jerry
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