Python Gun?

shotgunshooter3shotgunshooter3 Senior MemberPosts: 5,258 Senior Member
Some coworkers and I are talking about getting a python hunt going on in the Everglades. A lot of the logistics are fairly easy, but our variable is what gun to use.

I personally think a 12 gauge is in order, with my .44 or 10mm as a side arm. Thoughts?
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  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 5,139 Senior Member
    You read my mind. Might take an AR for a 35-50 yard shot if they won't let you get close.
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 9,670 Senior Member
    Shotgun and 10mm sounds right, maybe with a good, sharp machete. I'm quite sure that you can walk all over them without ever seeing one. That is true of all snakes in a swampy area. In 30 plus years of doing land surveying work in marshy/swampy areas, I've killed many more cottonmouths and copperheads with a 22" machete than I've ever killed any type of small game with guns, while hunting.
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 16,585 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    Shotgun and 10mm sounds right, maybe with a good, sharp machete..
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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 18,963 Senior Member
    Bare hands.
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  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    12 ga #4's.

    I think one a them hi-cap wonder nines might be better than a 10mm for this.
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  • shotgunshooter3shotgunshooter3 Senior Member Posts: 5,258 Senior Member
    So, buck shot or bird shot?


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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 9,670 Senior Member
    early wrote: »
    12 ga #4's.

    I think one a them hi-cap wonder nines might be better than a 10mm for this.

    I'm actually thinking of the other varmints that might be encountered in such an area, i.e. feral hogs and alligators. Not to mention that there have supposedly been a few confirmed anaconda sightings in rivers or large creeks.
  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 5,139 Senior Member
    Turkey loads, 4 buck, old lead goose loads. If your going to be close a heavy field load might work. Snakes are tough critters.
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 9,670 Senior Member
    On the shot size, I like #1 Buckshot, although anything up to No.4 might be OK. Bird shot might be effective at 10 yards, but so is buckshot. I have brought down flying turkeys at 30-40 yards with No.1 in 12 gauge, so they seem pretty versatile to me.
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 7,328 Senior Member
    Have been out twice looking for Pythons. Carried a Mossberg 500 18" with #4 shot and a very large knife, almost a machete.

    Unfortunately only saw one and it had been run over by a truck on the access road. It was across the guys tailgate and touched the ground on both sides. It had a mouthful of larger than you would think teeth.

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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 16,585 Senior Member
    From what I've seen of hunting them on TV. I am thinking a "high brass" 1.25-1.5oz of #5 shot or larger SHOULD make minced meat of the "business end" of one at the ranges you'd likely see it.

    A few M67s might be handy too :tooth:
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  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 5,960 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    Bare hands.

    and a goat or two.

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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 8,971 Senior Member
    Pretty sure they made a gun for that a while ago....

    coltpython.jpg
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  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,178 Senior Member
    I don't know how hard it would be to target the vitals which I'm guessing the head mainly with just a rifle ... so I think instead of making a hole blow chunks with a shotgun loaded with heavier loads. Since I'd be on the cautious side and say 10 yards plus and go #4 buck and not be stingy with using it. Pythons/boas teeth aren't fangs but those 80 or so they do have are setup to where you do not pull away without a chunk of tissue being ripped. Blow that head apart!
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  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 8,456 Senior Member
    Lasso..............
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  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    Hey,
    Howabouta frog giger??? (sp?)
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 21,518 Senior Member
    #1, BB, or BBB steel shot would be good from a 12 gauge. The big snakes have muscular bodies so shot penetration is what you're looking for. And if you want to get 'up close and personal' and it's allowed, an alligator bang stick in 12 ga. would be fun. As to pistol, whatever you shoot most accurately, and a good machete.

    From what my nephew down there in Ft. Myers tells me, the big snakes in the glades are hard to find.
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  • SIGgalSIGgal Senior Member Posts: 1,582 Senior Member
    Some coworkers and I are talking about getting a python hunt going on in the Everglades. A lot of the logistics are fairly easy, but our variable is what gun to use.

    I personally think a 12 gauge is in order, with my .44 or 10mm as a side arm. Thoughts?

    Being that snakes scare me more than anything, I would say a Wharthog plane and a flyover would do with about 30,000 rounds in them. Maybe even some napalm to make sure you didn't miss one. I got a snake skin wallet once as a gift. I couldn't even bring it in the house.
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  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 36,690 Senior Member
    I've got your python gun,




    Anyway 12 gauge with number four shot should work. I'd like 3.5" mags, I'd want to remove the head with one shot. Snakes are icky.
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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 4,961 Senior Member
    The glades are pretty thick with vegetation and there are no open fields where you would see a snake slithering through the grass. The odds of even seeing a large snake more than five yards away are pretty slim. At five yards or less, most shotshell will chew stuff up even with an open choke and a good duck load like #4's has lots of hard hitting pellets. There is no aiming for any vitals because in most cases, you're only going to see a small segment of a snake and the only real vitals that you can locate is the head.
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  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,598 Senior Member
    Fisheadgib wrote: »
    The glades are pretty thick with vegetation and there are no open fields where you would see a snake slithering through the grass. The odds of even seeing a large snake more than five yards away are pretty slim. At five yards or less, most shotshell will chew stuff up even with an open choke and a good duck load like #4's has lots of hard hitting pellets. There is no aiming for any vitals because in most cases, you're only going to see a small segment of a snake and the only real vitals that you can locate is the head.

    Yep! Spot on. My problem with all of the snake eradication efforts in the state is that the snakes are almost impossible to see and will slither away with any approach that alarms them. Dogs would seem like to natural way to find them, but the conditions of the swamp make it nearly impossible to run dogs everywhere. The temperature of the land and water makes them noctural in the summer, so winter offers some of the better chances to find them sunning on rocks, etc.

    We are never going to be rid of them. They are holed up everywhere now in the glades. We would have to form a 60 mile long beater line to try and flush them all out, and even then the nature of the swamp, holes and the animals natural ability to hide would not prove productive enough to eradicate them.

    As far as weapons go, I have handled several eight to 12 ft sankes and they aren't that aggressive unless hungry. A shotgun from a swamp buggy and a large camp knife / machete should do the trick, if you can even find one in the heat of the day. Finding those cold blooded b@st@rds at night is nearly impossible.

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  • bobbyrlf3bobbyrlf3 Senior Member Posts: 2,411 Senior Member
    A .22 rifle will do just fine, but if you're worried about making the shot because the head is so small, a shotgun is easier. Especially if you don't want to get close. I'd be careful about using dogs; for the larger breeds of snake that are being hunted, average-sized dogs are food.

    Really all you need is a big bag and a forked rod to hold his head down long enough to grab him just behind the jaw hinge. Then you can bag 'em and carry it off to the taxidermist. Get one big enough and you can have new holsters for all of your carry guns!
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 17,918 Senior Member
    How about a skinny guy in a turban- - - - -one that plays a flute?- - - - - - -Or does that only work on Cobras?
    :uhm:
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  • 10canyon5310canyon53 Member Posts: 516 Senior Member
    Best way to kill a snake is with another, meaner snake. This one should do nicely.....

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  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 5,960 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    How about a skinny guy in a turban- - - - -one that plays a flute?- - - - - - -Or does that only work on Cobras?
    :uhm:
    Jerry

    The Fakir, but playing a Pungi?

    cjp wrote: »

    ..... Oh dear God, I've admitted to liking something Limey.I'll never hear the end of this.

    Jayhawker wrote: »

    ...But seriously Shush....

     


  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 20,706 Senior Member
    Fisheadgib wrote: »
    The glades are pretty thick with vegetation and there are no open fields where you would see a snake slithering through the grass. The odds of even seeing a large snake more than five yards away are pretty slim. At five yards or less, most shotshell will chew stuff up even with an open choke and a good duck load like #4's has lots of hard hitting pellets. There is no aiming for any vitals because in most cases, you're only going to see a small segment of a snake and the only real vitals that you can locate is the head.

    I agree 100%. With snakes it's the head! Go for the head, it makes it swift work. Snakes are very hardy otherwise. I've shot large rattlesnakes, of course they're not close to a python in size but they're still big and even they are hard to kill quickly. Snakes squirm around and can still strike and a snake as large as a python can get will even knock you off your feet. Yes, pythons can strike. And they can bite. They have no classical fangs and they have no venom but they CAN strike and bite. And then go around their victim and constrict. They literally squeeze the life out of their victims.

    Go for the head always. It's the most lethal area and the quickest way to kill them. And with a python 10 feet long or longer the head is a relatively large target. And like I said before, you're probably going to encounter one inside 5 yards, unless you see one swimming or climbing a tree. So a shotgun with any size shot in it is the best way to dispatch them. I wouldn't want slugs, too hard to hit a moving target. I like the duck loads, 4s or 6s. At 5 yards it's very lethal and gives a dense pattern which can obliterate the head if you make a good shot.

    Also, a machete (or large knife) and a side arm should be mandatory. Even a .22LR revolver in the hands of a skillful shot might be acceptable in my opinion; however, I think I'd limit it to no less than 9mm, but that might just be me being anal. Big snakes can make you anal.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 20,706 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    Pretty sure they made a gun for that a while ago....

    coltpython.jpg

    Other than direction of rotation, a Python and a S&W 586 that's been through a custom shop are about equal, accept the Python has a Vent rib, a 586 has a solid rib.
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 22,632 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    #1, BB, or BBB steel shot would be good from a 12 gauge. The big snakes have muscular bodies so shot penetration is what you're looking for. And if you want to get 'up close and personal' and it's allowed, an alligator bang stick in 12 ga. would be fun. As to pistol, whatever you shoot most accurately, and a good machete.

    From what my nephew down there in Ft. Myers tells me, the big snakes in the glades are hard to find.
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  • dlddld Member Posts: 313 Member
    What are the requirements for capture?
    The snakes can be captured by hand or with hand held equipment such as snake tongs or snake hooks. Legal firearms may be used during hunting seasons when allowed. Pythons may be euthanized onsite by legal and humane means or desposited alive at a drop off site that will be designated by FWC.

    http://myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/nonnatives/python/faqs/permit-faqs/
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,056 Senior Member
    12 gauge.

    They don't gotta look pretty.
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