Where's the outrage for Sen Al Franken (D)?

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  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 25,050 Senior Member
    See post #20. It seems at least a few Democrats aren't completely stupid. Even if it took them way too long to wise up.
    Laura Ingram said the same you did almost word for word tonight on her Fox Show. Are you working for Fox now :tooth:
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 7,792 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Laura Ingram said the same you did almost word for word tonight on her Fox Show. Are you working for Fox now :tooth:
    Of course Fox's agenda is equally transparent. They need to convince their audience that Franken stepping down is only about political strategy so they can continue rationalizing defending Roy Moore from all the terrible things he's done once he is elected tomorrow.
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 16,580 Senior Member
    ... once he is elected Tuesday.
    FIFY, the special election is 12/12
    Unless something changes, I won't be voting
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 9,669 Senior Member
    Of course Fox's agenda is equally transparent. They need to convince their audience that Franken stepping down is only about political strategy so they can continue rationalizing defending Roy Moore from all the terrible things he's done once he is elected tomorrow.

    I don't need any convincing. I've witnessed the full range of political hypocrisy over several decades, and the verdict is in - both sides do it, but the lefties win overwhelmingly in anything to do with hypocrisy, and they are usually absurdly obvious about it. I mean really - Kirsten Gillibrand saying now that Bill Clinton should have resigned...after he and Hilary put her in the Senate. You give them credit for being smart, while I laugh at their consistent inconsistency.

    In all fairness, I don't think the evidence is anywhere near conclusive against Franken. Some of the claims by the women seem credible, but the only proof against him is one photo that looks like something he might of done on SNL. Still, I think he is a bad Senator, so I'm happy to see him quit, rather than keep all of this in the news for weeks. As for anybody who is accused, I think they have to stay and fight, if they are innocent. Anyone who is innocent, and still quits, does not care about their reputation, or what their family and friends believe about them. If I were accused of such a thing, I would go to my grave defending my reputation.
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,278 Senior Member
    When I watched his vague BS speech live yesterday morning I wondered if his nasty comment concerning Trump and Moore was scripted by the DNC or he relied on his own natural idiocy?
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 6,002 Senior Member
    Of course Fox's agenda is equally transparent. They need to convince their audience that Franken stepping down is only about political strategy so they can continue rationalizing defending Roy Moore from all the terrible things he's done once he is elected tomorrow.

    If it's not about political strategy, they why have the dems been providing cover for Clinton all these years?
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,298 Senior Member
    Of course Fox's agenda is equally transparent. They need to convince their audience that Franken stepping down is only about political strategy so they can continue rationalizing defending Roy Moore from all the terrible things he's done once he is elected tomorrow.

    A story was released today that the yearbook that Moore supposedly signed was actually altered by the complainant. Moore's lawyer stated early on that it was a forgery, and it looks like that may be true.
    Political correctness is a liberal degrading of the freedom of speech. George Orwell's 1984 famously incorporated the notion of limiting thought through language (see Newspeak)." Meanwhile, the beatings will continue until morale improves around here.
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 7,792 Senior Member
    A story was released today that the yearbook that Moore supposedly signed was actually altered by the complainant. Moore's lawyer stated early on that it was a forgery, and it looks like that may be true.
    The reports I've read say the handwriting analysis proved it was his signature, but that there were notes added about the date and location by the accuser. But again it has not been released to an independent body for analysis.

    In my opinion he will more than likely get elected and then immediately investigated. I'd put the odds he completes his term at under 50%, but either way the calculation will be that it's better to elect him and maintain the seat in Republican hands regardless of the impact it has on 2018. I do think that ultimately it will hurt them in '18 which will be a tough one for them either way.
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,278 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    I don't need any convincing. I've witnessed the full range of political hypocrisy over several decades, and the verdict is in - both sides do it, but the lefties win overwhelmingly in anything to do with hypocrisy, and they are usually absurdly obvious about it. I mean really - Kirsten Gillibrand saying now that Bill Clinton should have resigned...after he and Hilary put her in the Senate. You give them credit for being smart, while I laugh at their consistent inconsistency.

    In all fairness, I don't think the evidence is anywhere near conclusive against Franken. Some of the claims by the women seem credible, but the only proof against him is one photo that looks like something he might of done on SNL. Still, I think he is a bad Senator, so I'm happy to see him quit, rather than keep all of this in the news for weeks. As for anybody who is accused, I think they have to stay and fight, if they are innocent. Anyone who is innocent, and still quits, does not care about their reputation, or what their family and friends believe about them. If I were accused of such a thing, I would go to my grave defending my reputation.
    The photo is idiotic and of course damning. Just to be reluctantly fair. What could he or she actually feel through the flack vest? I think the idiot could be hung out to dry in civil suits due to his "acting" in the borderline porn film "Tunnel Vision" (1976).
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 3,961 Senior Member
    That weasel franken won't quit. He is waiting to see if Moore is elected then will pull some BS to justify his staying.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 9,357 Senior Member
    sgtrock21 wrote: »
    The photo is idiotic and of course damning. Just to be reluctantly fair. What could he or she actually feel through the flack vest? I think the idiot could be hung out to dry in civil suits due to his "acting" in the borderline porn film "Tunnel Vision" (1976).

    Would it make you angry to see a photo of Sen. Franken doing that to your wife/daughter/sister/niece/BFF?
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,278 Senior Member
    CHIRO1989 wrote: »
    Would it make you angry to see a photo of Sen. Franken doing that to your wife/daughter/sister/niece/BFF?
    Of course. The intent of his stupid photo is clear and does make me angry. Actual fondling through a flak vest is not really possible.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 13,757 Senior Member
    Conyers needed to go. He was literally that creepy entitled type that thought he was owed sexual favors. Franken? Honestly, I don't think so. I don't like the guy as a senator, but I think this whole thing is going too far. The plane boob touch thing was obviously just a joke in poor taste. The whole kiss her thing back stage? He probably crossed a line there, but still. The ass grab allegations? As creepy as I find Joe Biden, I do not think the guy has done anything that he has done with the intent of getting his jollies or some sort of sexual intimidation/gratification. Just like Bush I, or Franken. Times are changing and men should recognize that.

    I have daughters. I am glad to see some of this stuff being brought into the open.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,298 Senior Member
    The reports I've read say the handwriting analysis proved it was his signature, but that there were notes added about the date and location by the accuser. But again it has not been released to an independent body for analysis.

    In my opinion he will more than likely get elected and then immediately investigated. I'd put the odds he completes his term at under 50%, but either way the calculation will be that it's better to elect him and maintain the seat in Republican hands regardless of the impact it has on 2018. I do think that ultimately it will hurt them in '18 which will be a tough one for them either way.

    In the beginning they claimed he wrote the whole thing. Now she claims she wrote in the date and location. Either way, the whole thing is suspicious and I'm not yet convinced. It's just too convenient that these accusations occurred 3 weeks before an election, and democrats DO have a habit of finding accusers before a primary or election.....Herman Caine, Trump, appt. of Clarence Thomas to the SC. Democrats have ZERO credibility when it comes to politics, IMO. They play this game too often.
    Political correctness is a liberal degrading of the freedom of speech. George Orwell's 1984 famously incorporated the notion of limiting thought through language (see Newspeak)." Meanwhile, the beatings will continue until morale improves around here.
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 7,792 Senior Member
    And it continues. Another congressman used tax dollars to pay hush money to a woman he harrassed. I wonder how many more will come out?

    Also this policy needs to change. Any of these settlements need to be a matter of public record.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/12/01/congressmans-sexual-harassment-settlement-paid-tax-dollars/915689001/
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 36,686 Senior Member
    And it continues. Another congressman used tax dollars to pay hush money to a woman he harrassed. I wonder how many more will come out?

    Also this policy needs to change. Any of these settlements need to be a matter of public record.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/12/01/congressmans-sexual-harassment-settlement-paid-tax-dollars/915689001/

    From the article:
    "While I 100 percent support more transparency with respect to claims against members of Congress, I can neither confirm nor deny that settlement involved my office as the Congressional Accountability Act prohibits me from answering that question,” Farenthold said in a written statement.

    How about F you, Congressman? I am SICK AND ING TIRED of ELECTED officials being given a pass on ANYTHING. You're a God damned EMPLOYEE of the CITIZENS of the United States. This crap needs to END.
    "I'm here for the guns, hunting, and skirt wearing men."
    Zee
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 25,050 Senior Member
    THIS GUY in the blue PJs is in Congress?!?!?!?!?!?
    DAMN!!!!!
    blake.jpg
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 7,792 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    THIS GUY in the blue PJs is in Congress?!?!?!?!?!?
    DAMN!!!!!
    blake.jpg
    This is what we get with a two party system and highly gerrymandered districts/highly polarized states. You get guys like this and Conyers who can do pretty much anything they want with limited risk of ever losing their seats.
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 13,757 Senior Member
    My vote is for the one on the far left.
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 9,357 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    My vote is for the one on the far left.

    Our left or their left:jester:

    I will say in Frankens defense, he or someone on his staff almost always responded to my emails, very few did not get a response. Sen. Amy Klobachar (D)MN on the other hand, few if ANY of my emails have ever gotten responded too, so there is that FWIW.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
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