DOJ says bump stocks are covered by NFA

CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior MemberPosts: 4,118 Senior Member


https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/department-justice-submits-notice-proposed-regulation-banning-bump-stocks

Department of Justice Submits Notice of Proposed Regulation Banning Bump Stocks

Today the Department of Justice submitted to the Office of Management and Budget a notice of a proposed regulation to clarify that the definition of “machinegun” in the National Firearms Act and Gun Control Act includes bump stock type devices, and that federal law accordingly prohibits the possession, sale, or manufacture of such devices. 

"President Trump is absolutely committed to ensuring the safety and security of every American and he has directed us to propose a regulation addressing bump stocks,” said Attorney General Jeff Sessions. “To that end, the Department of Justice has submitted to the Office of Management and Budget a notice of a proposed regulation to clarify that the National Firearms and Gun Control Act defines ‘machinegun’ to include bump stock type devices.”

This submission is a formal requirement of the regulatory review process.  Once approved by the Office of Management and Budget, the Department of Justice will seek to publish this notice as expeditiously as possible.


The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.

Ayn Rand

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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 22,305 Senior Member
    Best get your binary and other 'trick' triggers while they're still available.
    Non Sibi Sed Patriage (Not for self, but country)



  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,244 Senior Member
    So does this mean those who currently own them have to dispose of them or have a certain time to Tax Stamp them or what?
    “The further a society drifts from truth ... the more it will hate those who speak it."
    - George Orwell
  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 37,404 Senior Member
    NCFUBAR said:
    So does this mean those who currently own them have to dispose of them or have a certain time to Tax Stamp them or what?
    Good question. I'd hate to be one that had to deal with it though. 
    "I'm here for the guns, hunting, and skirt wearing men."
    Zee
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,453 Senior Member
    tennmike said:
    Best get your binary and other 'trick' triggers while they're still available.
    Where can I get one?
    Political correctness is a liberal degrading of the freedom of speech. George Orwell's 1984 famously incorporated the notion of limiting thought through language (see Newspeak)." Meanwhile, the beatings will continue until morale improves around here.
  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,244 Senior Member
    edited March 13 #6
    tennmike said:
    Best get your binary and other 'trick' triggers while they're still available.
    Where can I get one?
    To me ... they are pretty much like a bump stock a novelty but 3 times MSRP. If you really are interested check Fostech Echo ($480) or Franklin Binary ($430). Fire on pull and then on release ... binary action is better than a bump stock but still not worth the price I’d admission or cost of ammunition to me.
    “The further a society drifts from truth ... the more it will hate those who speak it."
    - George Orwell
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 4,118 Senior Member
    I don't really care about the bump stock...my biggest concern is the DOJ simply adding a device that was previously approved by the ATF as a regular accessory. If the DOJ can declare this, what else are they going to try?
    The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.

    Ayn Rand
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,031 Senior Member

    Hmmmm- - - - -sounds like it's time to start building "fidget spinners" with hand cranks that attach to a trigger guard.  "Just spinning my toy, ossifer- - - - -the fact that it's bumping my trigger 3 times a turn is purely coincidental!"


    Hide and wail in terror, Eloi- - - -We Morlocks are on the hunt!
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  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,324 Senior Member

    A machine gun, as defined in the NFA, is "Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger." The NFA term machine gun refers to all firearms capable of full automatic fire and includes true machine guns, assault rifles, battle rifles, submachine guns, and machine pistols. The frame or receiver of a machine gun, and any combination of parts intended to make a machine gun, is legally defined as a machine gun. For example, according to the ATF, "A Glock conversion switch is a part designed and intended for use in converting a semi-automatic Glock pistol into a machine gun; therefore, it is a "machine gun" as defined in 26 U.S.C. 5845(b)." Parts that can be used to convert a semi-automatic firearm to fully automatic capability are regulated as machineguns and must be registered and tax paid under the NFA. The US Military issued kits T17 and T18 to convert the M1 carbine to an M2, capable of fully automatic fire; these kits are legally "machine guns".  What exactly are they clarifying?  "Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger." Semi Automatic AR-15s and AK-47s are not designed to fire fully automatic. They cannot be "restored" to fire fully automatic.  "Any combination of parts intended to make a machine gun, is legally defined as a machine gun." Is this what they are clarifying? From my understanding the "bump stock" uses recoil with the operator's finger to simulate full automatic fire. Some skilled individuals can accomplish this without a "bump stock". I could certainly be wrong but I think a congressional "ACT" may only be altered by congress or interpreted/"clarified" by SCOTUS. Same with GCA 1968 which allows 18 year olds to legally purchase and/or possess rifles and shotguns.     

  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 22,305 Senior Member
    Best get your binary and other 'trick' triggers while they're still available.
    tennmike said:
    Best get your binary and other 'trick' triggers while they're still available.
    Where can I get one?
    They ain't CHEAP! But here's the one that everybody seems to like.

    https://www.franklinarmory.com/products/binary-firing-system-gen-iii-trigger-pack



    Non Sibi Sed Patriage (Not for self, but country)



  • terminator012terminator012 Senior Member Posts: 2,890 Senior Member
    tennmike said:
    Best get your binary and other 'trick' triggers while they're still available.
    tennmike said:
    Best get your binary and other 'trick' triggers while they're still available.
    Where can I get one?
    They ain't CHEAP! But here's the one that everybody seems to like.

    https://www.franklinarmory.com/products/binary-firing-system-gen-iii-trigger-pack




    They are a little expensive.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 22,305 Senior Member
    Those binary triggers are flying off the shelves. Hard to find one anywhere. I suspect we're in for more shortages of EVERYTHING depending on what the Congresscritters try to pass, or worse yet, pass regarding new laws to hobble the innocent firearms owners.
    Non Sibi Sed Patriage (Not for self, but country)



  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 9,913 Senior Member
    I have never had a desire for bump stocks, or really anything like auto fire, but I don't like for any president to get the Justice Department to re-define existing definitions in a way that will further erode constitutional law. This action and a couple of other statements recently made by the president (regarding gun laws) are straight from the liberal playbook of making new law or altering existing law in a way that will have no effect on the tragedies that sparked this emotional and ineffectual response. It is a feel-good law that doesn't solve any problem, and distracts from any efforts that might actually help.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,453 Senior Member
    tennmike said:
    Best get your binary and other 'trick' triggers while they're still available.
    tennmike said:
    Best get your binary and other 'trick' triggers while they're still available.
    Where can I get one?
    They ain't CHEAP! But here's the one that everybody seems to like.

    https://www.franklinarmory.com/products/binary-firing-system-gen-iii-trigger-pack




    They are a little expensive.
    I would seriously consider spending the money if I was certain they wouldn't be banned as well, once the next mass shooter was found to be using one.
    Political correctness is a liberal degrading of the freedom of speech. George Orwell's 1984 famously incorporated the notion of limiting thought through language (see Newspeak)." Meanwhile, the beatings will continue until morale improves around here.
  • Green Mtn. BoyGreen Mtn. Boy New Member Posts: 34 Member
    That must be why the ATF approved them as non NFA in the first place,all of this was done with Negotiating Rights Away since 1934 approval.

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