9mm (not +p) Home Defense ammo?

Uncle FesterUncle Fester Senior MemberPosts: 923 Senior Member
Going to local stores in Dallas, it seems like all the hollowpoint 9mm available are some variation of +p ammo.   

In my G26, I don’t want Plus P ammo.  In particular, I don’t want extra penetration.

  Recommendations?

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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 22,594 Senior Member
    Fiocchi 124 gr XTPHP

    Go online and order a couple boxes if you have to.
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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 16,557 Senior Member
    Fed 124 Gr HST, Speer Golddot
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 22,594 Senior Member
    Remington makes a jacketed soft point, too
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  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 3,952 Senior Member
    Reminton short barrel in my shield.
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  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 25,029 Senior Member
    Pretty much all premium SD ammo nowadays is designed to reach the same sweet spot of penetration, and extra speed sometimes means faster expansion and LESS penetration.  So you really can’t think in generalities when it comes to SD ammo.  

    I use a lot of +P and lighter bullets in my compact guns to make up for the shorter barrel’s velocity loss.  Of course this is all academics since placement is really the name of the game.
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  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 36,652 Senior Member
    Plus P doesn't mean plus penetration.  It means plus pressure. In reality, in modern weapons, it means eff all on a big ship. Mainly marketing wa nk. 

    If youre worried about over penetration, use a baseball bat for defense. 


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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 9,655 Senior Member
    Over penetration is kind of a nit-picking issue, in my opinion. You have to be responsible for all the rounds you fire, anyway. So, a better thing to worry about is the possibility (or likelihood?) of missing your target altogether, and let that be your priority when considering what is behind your target. If you cannot afford to miss, you have to wait until you can, or just trust to luck and be prepared to accept the consequences.
  • 104RFAST104RFAST Senior Member Posts: 1,172 Senior Member
    +p = + profit IMO 
  • Uncle FesterUncle Fester Senior Member Posts: 923 Senior Member
    edited March 20 #10
    cpj said:
    Plus P doesn't mean plus penetration.  It means plus pressure. In reality, in modern weapons, it means eff all on a big ship. Mainly marketing wa nk. 

    If youre worried about over penetration, use a baseball bat for defense. 


    In addition to over penetration, I am worried about accuracy from less recoil and muzzle blast. 

    I just don’t see any need for plus p in my Baby Glock.
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 25,029 Senior Member
    cpj said:
    Plus P doesn't mean plus penetration.  It means plus pressure. In reality, in modern weapons, it means eff all on a big ship. Mainly marketing wa nk. 

    If youre worried about over penetration, use a baseball bat for defense. 


    In addition to over penetration, I am worried about accuracy from less recoil and muzzle blast. 

    I just don’t see any need for plus p in my Baby Glock.
    That is a valid concern.  
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 36,652 Senior Member
    edited March 20 #12
    ...
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 30,074 Senior Member
    NN said:
    Fiocchi 124 gr XTPHP

    Go online and order a couple boxes if you have to.
    Yep, that Fiocchi is good stuff and not as $$$ as most other stuff. That and couple with the good Hornady bullets they use in some of it in several different calibers makes it a good choice.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 30,074 Senior Member
    In fact, I have had good luck with .38/.357 and even Fiocchi .22 ammo, no complaints.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 8,967 Senior Member
    A long time ago when I was researching short barrel 9mm loads, a leading choice was the 115gr Winchester Silvertip.  I bought a whole bunch of it, and have been using it ever since.

    Course, that is old info, and technology has changed in bullets.  But... it's still a decent round, not +p, and available in 50 round boxes.
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  • TrueTone911TrueTone911 Senior Member Posts: 5,621 Senior Member
    knitepoet said:
    Fed 124 Gr HST, Speer Golddot
    What he said
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 3,952 Senior Member
    Uncle Fester said
    In addition to over penetration, I am worried about accuracy from less recoil and muzzle blast. 
    I just don’t see any need for plus p in my Baby Glock.

    I think muzzle blast is over rated.  I've shot in total darkness with .22, 9mm with ported barrel, 40 and 45 calibers.  Never once had muzzel blast affect me.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 20,683 Senior Member
    I bought some Winchester Train and Defend ammo for my 9. It comes in the T style (Train) with a FMJ (Not sure what grain bullet is in the "Train") And the D (Defend) style, which comes with a 147 Grain Hollow Point bullet at 950 FPS Muzzle Velocity. Its supposed to be deadly without over penetration. I'm not sure how deadly they are but I wouldn't want to get shot with one. They are very accurate in my S&W Model 469.
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  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 25,029 Senior Member
    A long time ago when I was researching short barrel 9mm loads, a leading choice was the 115gr Winchester Silvertip.  I bought a whole bunch of it, and have been using it ever since.

    Course, that is old info, and technology has changed in bullets.  But... it's still a decent round, not +p, and available in 50 round boxes.
    For the same reason a while back I bought a boatload of TAP +P 9mm and it turned out to be some of the most accurate ammo I’ve ever fired.  I used to be able to hit bowling pins at 50 yards with my old Walter PPS with boring regularity.  That batch is still my primary carry ammo in my wife’s G43.
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 9,655 Senior Member
    cpj said:
    Plus P doesn't mean plus penetration.  It means plus pressure. In reality, in modern weapons, it means eff all on a big ship. Mainly marketing wa nk. 

    If youre worried about over penetration, use a baseball bat for defense. 


    In addition to over penetration, I am worried about accuracy from less recoil and muzzle blast. 

    I just don’t see any need for plus p in my Baby Glock.
    Personally, when I go to the range to shoot handguns, I shoot everything from cowboy loaded .38 Specials to hot 10mm loads, including .357 mag and .45 ACP. 9mm in +P is not a factor to me for accuracy, nor is .40S&W +P. A good grip and concentration on the front sight distracts me enough to not even notice recoil until it gets to .44 magnum levels.

    Still, with 9mm, accuracy is more important than a few fps in velocity. Recoil difference is negligible, with proper practice habits. It's fun to debate stuff, using factory claims as a basis, but nothing beats hitting a small target, in the real world.
  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,173 Senior Member
    I don’t go for the newest wizbang bullets ... being older and thrifty I stick with good old stuff I get at good price not cheap but not “latest & greatest” expensive either. I like Gold Dots, Ranger T, etc that has a track record and not just fancy packaging and marketing. 
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  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 1,062 Senior Member
    Going to local stores in Dallas, it seems like all the hollowpoint 9mm available are some variation of +p ammo.   

    In my G26, I don’t want Plus P ammo.  In particular, I don’t want extra penetration.

      Recommendations?
    If you're genuinely concerned about over-penetration then here's another option for you to consider.  Federal Guard Dog ammo.

    There's a good article about Guard Dog ammo in American Rifleman

    by Aaron Carter - Monday, December 23, 2013 titled:


    Mastery of Metals: Federal HST and Guard Dog Loads

     
    You'll have to look it up because everytime I post the link I get some stupid forum message and my post doesn't show up..........It's a long article but worth a read.

    You can find Guard Dog ammo at Natchez Shooting Supply.


    Hope this helps.


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  • Uncle FesterUncle Fester Senior Member Posts: 923 Senior Member
    snake284 said:
    I bought some Winchester Train and Defend ammo for my 9. It comes in the T style (Train) with a FMJ (Not sure what grain bullet is in the "Train") And the D (Defend) style, which comes with a 147 Grain Hollow Point bullet at 950 FPS Muzzle Velocity. Its supposed to be deadly without over penetration. I'm not sure how deadly they are but I wouldn't want to get shot with one. They are very accurate in my S&W Model 469.
    I ended up getting a box of it to try out.  

    I am; however, going to look into the Guard Dog ammo referenced by SPK.
  • Virginia BoyVirginia Boy Member Posts: 213 Member
    I use Remington Golden Saber, 124 Grain ( not +p ) in my Ruger
    LC9s. They work fine, I haven't had to use them for self defense, 
    & hope I never have to.




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  • 10canyon5310canyon53 Member Posts: 510 Senior Member
    I use Remington Golden Saber, 124 Grain ( not +p ) in my Ruger
    LC9s. They work fine, I haven't had to use them for self defense, 
    & hope I never have to.




    That's exactly what I use in my M&P Shield and in my S&W SD9VE.  I made the decision based on the ballistics gel testing the Lucky Gunner performed.  What I liked was that they test according to the FBI standards, explain those standards, but then just post the results and let you decide for yourself what works best for you.  They don't attempt to tell you what you should buy.  The only downside to the Golden Sabers is that they can be difficult to find.  I have found a LGS near me now that has them in stock on occasion.
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 7,304 Senior Member

    I carry Winchester Ranger T series 147gr  ammo in my M&P Shield and Glock43


    It functions perfectly each time I pull the trigger and from what I have observed online and my limited testing in the Everglades, it functions as claimed.

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  • Squawk BoxSquawk Box New Member Posts: 33 Member
    Starfire 115 grain should do the trick, it expands pretty quick, which will slow down penetration.
  • Squawk BoxSquawk Box New Member Posts: 33 Member
    Squawk Box said:
    Starfire 115 grain should do the trick, it expands pretty quick, which will slow down penetration.
    And this may be even better.

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