I need a Winchester 67A peep sight diagram

[BigDanS]

My new to me in the past 2 months model 67a with a peep sight has a problem. The peep sight gets in the way of the bolt when I operate it, so the shell case will not eject, and I have to remove it by hand.

I took it apart tonight and discovered it must be missing some spacers or other parts. The pressure bracket that holds the peep sight bracket on and in place was on upside down. The bracket has screw recesses but was put on upside down to extend the distance the screws had to travel. If I tighten the screws for the bracket all the way either rightside up or upside down they impinge on the bolt and then it will not operate.

I just need an original diagram somewhere to show me what it should look like, so I can fix it right. Even pictures of someone with the correct peep installation would be a great help.

Numrich had nothing and my Google fu showed me nothing, either. I can wing it, but I would rather do it right.

Any help out there?

D

[Big Al1]

I don't think that is an original Winchester sight. Mine has the peep sight mounted on the barrel. Any other ID on the sight??

[BigDanS]

I'll get some good pictures tomorrow. It basicly is a few nuts and bolts.

[sarg1c]

According to the Win. History Book, It is NOT original. Do you have a dove tail down the barrel, or drilled and tapped somewhere in the area of the barrel near the receiver? Gun Parts Corp. May have an original or a diagram on line....Big Al's appears to be original. The 68 like BigAl's has a little diff. front sight and the peep .

[sarg1c]

Just checked with Gun Parts Corp., NO SCHEMATIC, rear sight (leaf type) is available for the 67 (395060E) complete. Only the front sight for the 67A. If the sight Dove tail is there, it would work it the dove tail is far enough down barrel. There is two locations for the dove tail on different years of man.. the ones for the peep is closer to the receiver than the leaf type....may be too close for leaf sight it the orig. Configeration was for the peep.

[BigDanS]

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FROM THE RIGHT SIDE - Notice how closely the knurling matches the bolt and the eye piece

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Top down - notice the nut on the right used as a spacer between the retaining bar and the receiver

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From the left side. If you flip over the bar that holds it all together, there are screw recesses drilled into it. These screws appear not to be the originals

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Looking straight ahead toward the appeture.

[BigDanS]

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Not a great quality shot, but this shows the rear dovetail fill in. It appears to be aged the same as the barrel. My uneducated eyes tell me it has been there since it was put together.

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From the front on the left looking down. Notice the nut used a s a spacer.

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Same as the above shot but a little further back.

D

[tennmike]

From the pictures, it appears someone has taken a sight not made for the rifle and adapted it to fit. The bar that holds the sight leg in place appears to be concave, and would normally fit against the receiver, and the sight leg would be normally fitted on the outside flat of that bar with a retaining clip. If the bar were flipped so that the concave face was to the receiver, you will notice that the bar has a wedge or dovetail shape. This bar is meant to have the concave face to the receiver, and another piece that holds the sight bar has a matching dovetail to the base dovetail. Basically what you have is part of a target sight base used to hold the sight leg in place.

I looked through the book, "Old Gunsights, A Collector's Guide 1850-1965" and found no aperture sight leg similar made by anyone. Probably a small manufacturer that didn't make a lot of sights. The base holding the sight leg in place is very similar to the old Anschutz target sight bases for .22 rimfire.

[Big Al1]

From looking at the wood that was removed from the stock to accomodate the sight, I still think it is not original. Factory also would not use a nut as a spacer. The sight is not allowing the bolt to got all the way back to where it will eject!! Let me dig through some old books and see what I come up with!!

[BigDanS]

Thanks Mike. The more I look at it the more I realize it most likely is an adaptation of a cheap sight. I am having a hard time finding anything about the 67a with a factory peep sight. I will say it looks cheaply made and would be a candidate for a 1930 - 1963 factory cheap peep sight. It certainly works, based on my results with the CCI Quiets.

I still want to improve it.

I am holding out that I can find a factory peep sight picture / diagram and take it from there.

D

[jaywapti]

Dan, Bob's gun shop has rear sites for $15. phone# 501-767-1970 also lots of parts for your 67A, look up " Bob's gun shop, Royal Ar. " on the web.

JAY

[Big Al1]

I keep an old copy of Brownell's Encyclopedia of Modern Firearms, from 1959, as a reference. It did not list a peep sight for the M67, so it must not have been an option anymore.There is an original peep sight on E Bay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-WIN...21165295010%26

I wasn't able to ID the sight you have now.

[BigDanS]

This might be another attempt to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. I just want a functional peep sight and while this one works it is tough to adjust.

The receiver is already tapped for two screws about 7/8's of an inch apart. The securing bracket looks like it was designed to fit aganst the receiver and have a sight base fit over it. There are two dimples in the center of it that look they accomodate some sort of set screw to hold whatever is mounted in place.

I wonder if there is a lyman or similar sight that would fit on it. I would need the screws recut to length, and then the correct peep sight to mount on it.

HMMM...

D

[BigDanS]

I decided to redo this botched job. Funny how close up photo's show the oxidation all over the metal... Are my eyes getting that bad?

The securing "bar" is most definately a dovetail mount that is drilled 7/8 inches inch apart. I decided to flip it around and use the screw recesses correctly, and add some stainless marine washers and a nut to space it out more evenly. The result is ugly but the bolt cycles properly and the screws are torqued to 18 inch pounds so nothing moves. The mounting holes are definately 7/8 inch apart and are drilled for fine thread 1/8 inch screws if my measurements and information are correct. the screws measure .133 OD and I assume there is .008 for the threads to extend from a .125 solid screw body.

Here are the redo pictures:

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The dovetail mount

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the screws

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installed with the screws. notice how far they stick out. The bolt is impinged by the screws.


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height of the peep sight mount

[BigDanS]

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here is the rear sight fill in. you can see the outline of the original sight in the blueing and the rough edges. The picture really makes it pop out. This gun was definately originally made with regular iron sights

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It's ugly but the washers and nut add about .4 inches to the front and about .3 to the back. This evened out the mount and the pressure on it.


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A different view of it.

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I am not proud of it but it works. Notice the peep sight base has a slot cut in the stock for it to assist in the up and down travel / adjustment. I torqued it all to 18 inch pounds and nothing moves and the bolt cycles.

Now I need to find a replacement, real peep that will have a base that threads at 7/8 inch width with the correct screws...

D

[tennmike]

Dan, your inbox is full so I'll put the message here.


I didn't renew my C&R license. All I need is the mounting block and the sight arm. I'd also need the outside diameter of the receiver to make a jig to fit the parts. And a picture of where the sight arm slides into the stock, if it does. The part I'd make would be and upside down 'T' with the leg of the 'T' drilled for a screw to hold a block on the other side to secure the sight arm. Simple part to make, but I do need the receiver diameter dimension and info on whether, and how much the arm slides into the stock.

I'm bored and need a little job like that to keep me busy.