Is that not a permit from the government to carry a concealed firearm?Originally Posted by samzhere
Is that not a permit from the government to carry a concealed firearm?
From the state government it is.
It is. In addition to this, it is a document that proves that you have passed a background check.
- I am a rifleman with a poorly chosen screen name. -
"It's far easier to start out learning to be precise and then speeding up, than it is having never "mastered" the weapon, and trying to be precise." - Dan C
No problem with a 10 day waiting period? Really? You're kidding me, right?
Maybe a 10 day wait before you're allowed to speak or write so we can check just in case you might have committed libel or slander at one time.
Maybe a 10 day wait so we can decide by arbitrary criteria crafted to support our agenda whether you have the mental faculties to register to vote.
Maybe a 10 day wait before we allow you to pray or worship so we can investigate your church for state-approved orthodoxy and political correctness.
NO CONSTITUIONAL RIGHT should ever be subject to prior restraint - especially by a government firmly in the grip of those who want to abridge and infringe it. For cryin' out loud no wonder the liberals are on the attack. WE DON"T BOTHER TO VOTE, and then some of us are actually on their side anyway. I sincerely hope that anybody who ever uttered a single word in support of any aspect of gun control loses everything - especially all their guns. UNTIL THEY FREAKING GET A CLUE. It would serve their rationalizing butts right.
Government is government. You are still accepting a permitting process to exercise a Constitutional right.
Do you have a CHL?
That is your choice.
What about the girlfriend or wife that has been threatened by her boyfriend or husband, gotten a restraining order and tries to buy a firearm to protect herself and while waiting to pickup the firearm is attacked and killed, because she could not defend herself and the restraining order didn't protect her?
This has happened back when the 10-day waiting period was in effect and more than one person died as a result.
As previous mentioned name one gun control law, ban, etc. that has prevented any crime with a firearm? There are none. Currently more than 20,000 already on the books and zero effectiveness.
Gun Control Insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
My reply was to indicate the lack of total Federal reciprocity....your permit is allowed by the state, not the Nation entire.
Depends. I held an FFL in California and background checks cost $25.
Anarchism is the liberation of the human mind from the dominion of religion and liberation of the human body from the coercion of property; liberation from the shackles and restraint of government. It is a social order based on the free grouping of individuals.
Folks should have a gun before they need it. I got a kick out of the LA riots, everyone trying to buy guns and folks with guns trying to buy ammo State government shut down sales. I just sat there and smiled sittin on that there stash of mine.
I don't like any of it, CHL included. Vermont has the right idea. Right now it's all about damage control and folks we have been damaged. Look at this forum as an example, gun owners can't even discuss this topic with out arguing and calling one another names. Reasonable discussion is never going to happen.
And who is the cause of that cost? Who did your money go to?
^Sorry, you can't argue with this.^
Anarchism is the liberation of the human mind from the dominion of religion and liberation of the human body from the coercion of property; liberation from the shackles and restraint of government. It is a social order based on the free grouping of individuals.
The CA DOJ. They called it a fee, but in reality it was a tax on gun buyers. If CA used the NICS system, it would have been free.
Anarchism is the liberation of the human mind from the dominion of religion and liberation of the human body from the coercion of property; liberation from the shackles and restraint of government. It is a social order based on the free grouping of individuals.
So CA charged YOU $25, for some desk flukey to press a button? And excuse my ignorance, but why would a state so restrictive about gun ownership NOT be using the NICS!?
A lot of things going on out here that I don't understand either.
Sacramento should burn like Rome.
Yeah the DOJ charged ME, but as a businessman, I passed that cost to the customer. The system CA used was more invasive than NICS.
Anarchism is the liberation of the human mind from the dominion of religion and liberation of the human body from the coercion of property; liberation from the shackles and restraint of government. It is a social order based on the free grouping of individuals.
Please explain the invasion.....inquiring minds beg to be educated.
I had one customer that was denied because of an expired restraining order. Another that was delayed because of a 30 year old misdemeanor. Ironically, he had bought guns and was approved a half dozen times previously.
Anarchism is the liberation of the human mind from the dominion of religion and liberation of the human body from the coercion of property; liberation from the shackles and restraint of government. It is a social order based on the free grouping of individuals.
Now I'm with that!
timc - formerly known as timc on the last G&A forum and timc on the G&A forum before that and the G&A forum before that.....
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There is supposed to be a separation of state and federal powers with police powers, including gun control powers, being reserved to each state. In Presser v Illinois the SCOTUS said that "a state has the same undeniable and unlimited jurisdiction over all persons and things within its territorial limits as any foreign nation, where that jurisdiction is not surrendered or restrained by the constitution of the United States; that, by virtue of this, it is not only the right but the bounden and solemn duty of a state to advance the safety, happiness, and prosperity of its people, and to provide for its general welfare by any and every act of legislation which it may deem to be conducive to these ends, where the power over the particular subject or the manner of its exercise is not surrendered or restrained in the manner just stated". If a state passed a law requiring a 10 day waiting period to obtain a firearm, the SCOTUS might rule that it violates the 14th Amendment, or they might not. But for the federal government to pass a 10 day waiting period would seem to be a whole different matter.Government is government.
Virginia does this too. Dealers contact the Va state police for background checks. We have two forms to fill out. A state form and a 4473. The state police then conduct the background check with both their own system and NICS. They only charge $2.00 though and that is passed along to the customer. However to buy "assault weapons" we have to produce 3 ID's. 2 ID's with matching addresses for everything else.
Or you can just get around all that and go see one of the many "professional private sellers" we have around here. They usually have a nice selection of their never ending private collection with new items arriving daily lol
Last edited by ThatMattGuy; 12-28-2012 at 01:41 PM.
The poster formerly known as '69MercCougar
Really? Did you have a registered SKS? http://www.keepandbeararms.com/infor...tem.asp?id=195
"all owners of the SKS "Sporter" to turn them in for a $230 reimbursement before January 1, 2000. "If you own an SKS Sporter, you can’t sell it and you can’t shoot it. You MUST turn it in before January 1 or face criminal charges and confiscation" goes the ad which has been run on local radio stations."
To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
-Mikhail Kalashnikov
So did people register them and then later they came along and forced those on the list to turn them in?
The poster formerly known as '69MercCougar
That's my understanding. Registration leads to confiscation- Every time.
We have to draw a line in the sand on this one. NO more laws. This far and NO FURTHER. We have over 20,000 laws regulating firearms on the books. Gun control has been tried and FAILED. the CT shooting is proof. Gun control kills innocent people.
To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
-Mikhail Kalashnikov
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