So said "the Stranger" a.k.a. "Preacher" in High Plains Drifter. But a good rough sawed oak 2 x 4 has some formidable splinters to leave in the hide of the one receiving 'instruction'. Such instruction is not likely to grow dim nor doubtful during the instructee's lifetime.Originally Posted by cpj
Actually Mike, theres nothing like a good pice of hickory.
Dennis: "Oh, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you." Monty Python and The Holy Grail
Chris this has been in place since 1840. The objective isn't to track individuals but to provide consistent data on the make-up of the agriculture industry in the country across time. Data from the census can be used to analyze changes in practices, yields, number of farms, farm land, employment, economic output from the industry over time and how it varies across the country. As someone who works in a data driven field I can say this kind of data extremely valuable.
"Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
-DoctorWho
What is it you don't understand about NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS? This is where the regional differences between the folks that think they need this data and the population of rural America become painfully obvious...Asking us to do something is one thing, Telling us to do something (under penalty of law) is something else entirely......
The .270 Winchester is a "damned adequate coyote rifle." -Elmer Keith
Firearm Safety Rule #8 : No matter how responsible he may seem, never give a loaded gun to a monkey.
Which is why data is aggregated at a county of higher level and individual farms are only identified by a number.
As a side note, free markets only function properly with good information. The assumption underlying economic theory that free markets lead to optimal results is that all market participants have perfect information.
"Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
-DoctorWho
Extremely valuable for who? I already know how my operation changes, and adaptations I make for varying conditions. What I do to keep me happy is absolutely NONE of your GD business, nor anybody elses.
With the current system there is no "free market" for ag products, there is a market jurimanded by bogus numbers put out by the government, and futures prices set by diddle headed little xxx buying and selling those futures and couldn't identify a cornstalk from hog balls. The less information folks like that have the better off we that feed you will be and the better chance we have of making a decent living without worrying about what some diddle xxx thinks about a rain in Oklahoma.
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Great rant Ranch!.....even if I had to edit it just a little....sorry....
The .270 Winchester is a "damned adequate coyote rifle." -Elmer Keith
Firearm Safety Rule #8 : No matter how responsible he may seem, never give a loaded gun to a monkey.
And the people who work in IN the fields think its NOYFB.
Honestly, it really IS as simple as that. Not sure why you cant understand that.
Yeah I get the noyfb argument, just providing another perspective.
"Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
-DoctorWho
That was a good one Ranch. I hate bean counters.
Randy
Rank does not concur privileges. It imposes responsibility. Author unknown
Ranch13, you hit the nail so hard on the head, you drove it home on the first hit!
Now for the 800 lb. gorilla in the room.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I have the Natural Right guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States of America which states in plain unambiguous language that I HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE LEFT ALONE! Send me a wad of papers and demand I fill them out or be prosecuted for failure to do so; how about NO! They already know my name and address since they sent me the form. They already know from that what size the farm is and what percentage is pasture, cropland, and woodland; they have satellite views of the whole danged country. No cattle, crops, or timber can be sold without Uncle Sugar getting his cut off the top. Their questionnaire is made up of questions both invasive to my privacy rights and are downright nosy.
This is not the old USSR that has some commissars making 5 year plans on who will grow what and on what date certain it will be harvested regardless of crop conditions or weather. The USDA has already made rules that are beyond draconian. Why give them information they are not entitled to because of a threat of government violence on you if you don't? Their threats are a toothless dog. Here's a stupid rule to help you learn, Alpha. It is illegal to grow ornamental cotton in your flower bed according to the USDA. The 'reason' given is to prevent spread of the boll weevil. And then there is that weird allotment system for peanuts, cotton, sugar cane, and other crops whose sole purpose is to keep supplies of same artificially low and prices higher than a free market would allow. A good education in the cattle business can be had by selling just one animal and looking at the paper you receive with the check. Take a good hard look at all the taxes, fees(taxes by another name stink the same), and other costs to sell that animal. Uncle Sugar getting his sticky fingers in the pie to skim some vigorish off the top again. And (insert deity of choice here) help you if you fed that animal with crops on the allotment system for which you didn't have a government approved allotment to grow just for feed and not for sale in interstate commerce and the USDA prefect in the area discovers that fact! And the beat goes on.
Dennis: "Oh, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you." Monty Python and The Holy Grail
Thanks guys, I do appoligize to the board for causiing the edit.
But I get so darn disgusted with these folks that think they need to know. There's NOT one thing they need to know, about any bodies farming operation, unless the operator voluntarily want's YOU to know, and there's absolutely no need for a mass information gathering, except for one thing.
That one thing is for manipulation of the market's. As long as the people interested in just the numbers, can determine when to export, or allow vast amounts of imports(under the guise of free market), for a stratedgy of nothing more than keeping the price of food down, which in turn keeps the masses at a fat and happy level.
You watch with this recent cold snap in California, the USDA will survey the crop damage, and then you keep an eye on the grocerers shelves, and note how much produce from Columbia etal, there is and how the price spikes for a short while , but then will go back down to normal levels.....
Hey Ranch I'll defer to you on this as the one who's livelihood depends on it, I just wanted to provide another perspective on the subject. This thread spawned another one for me that I posted on the 2A board. I'd be interested in your opinions over there.
"Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
-DoctorWho
The guys who used to try to tell how to make use of the corn we grew had a bad habit of disappering up dead-end Tennessee, Kentucky, and Georgia hollows, never to be seen again. It could happen to meddling USDA folks.
Jerry
"I'm glad to be American. I'm proud that I am free. I wish I was a hound dog and Obama was a tree!"
But Teach, you don't understand. They're from the government, and they're there to help.
Jerry
The age of reason...when excuses become reasons.
They can help the next crop grow.
Jerry
"I'm glad to be American. I'm proud that I am free. I wish I was a hound dog and Obama was a tree!"
Probably the most help that some of them could be, fertilizer!
Hi! My name is Dave, and I like going to fires........
Hahahahahaha lmao. Sounds like something my old man woulda said.
I can remember my Paw Paw Sivley getting paid by the feds not to grow cotton. This was back in the 60s.
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Randy
Rank does not concur privileges. It imposes responsibility. Author unknown
Ranch and tennmike are excellent spokesmen for us on this subject. Alpha, you would be a wise young man to closely read what they say and pay attention to it. My opinion, anyway.
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