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    In describing some military ammo . . . What does BALL mean?

    Does this have anything to do with the powder or the projectile?

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    Re: In describing some military ammo . . . What does BALL mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by N320AW View Post
    Does this have anything to do with the powder or the projectile?
    Meaning it is not a hollow point/frangible/mushrooming etc. I think it usually refers to a full metal jacket.

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    Re: In describing some military ammo . . . What does BALL mean?

    It dates all the way back to "non-shot" in muskets. For military applications, the muskets were loaded with "ball," rather than shot.

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    Re: In describing some military ammo . . . What does BALL mean?

    Only ones that come to mind are ball (FMJ), tracer, AP (armor piercing), and API (armor piercing incendairy)

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    Re: In describing some military ammo . . . What does BALL mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by DanChamberlain View Post
    It dates all the way back to "non-shot" in muskets. For military applications, the muskets were loaded with "ball," rather than shot.

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    It later became a common term used to describe ammo of any shape that had a solid bullet. A slang term that was used in the military a lot was "hardball", used to descibe FMJ rounds.

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    Re: In describing some military ammo . . . What does BALL mean?

    Thanks

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    A few outfits in the Civil War used "Buck and Ball". They were equipped with .69 caliber smoothbore muskets and each round contained one .69 cal ball and three buckshot pellets. Although this was an expedient at the beginning of the war, to get arms in the hands of the troops, some commanders continued to use them on the grounds that this encouraged their men to get "in close" where their shots would be really effective.

    If you ever tour a Civil War battlefield and see a monument with three small balls topped with one large ball, that's where one of these units fought.

    Common nowadays are ball, blank, tracer, armor piercing, armor-piercing incendiary, and dummy. Wow, the things a guy remembers from Infantry School...

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    Re: In describing some military ammo . . . What does BALL mean?

    Let's not forget OTM (Open Tip Match), like the MK262 (5.56) and the M118LR (7.62).

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    Re: In describing some military ammo . . . What does BALL mean?

    The origin of the term "ball" ammo comes from the Napoleonic Wars. Because soldiers tend to shoot high under the stress of close combat, their sergeants ordered the soldiers to "hold for their belts." Of course, then they shot a trifle low. So numerous were the mid-body testicular wounds, ammo was casually referred to as "ball ammo." Also, the battle cry of "kick their butts and shoot their nuts."
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    Re: In describing some military ammo . . . What does BALL mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gene L View Post
    The origin of the term "ball" ammo comes from the Napoleonic Wars. Because soldiers tend to shoot high under the stress of close combat, their sergeants ordered the soldiers to "hold for their belts." Of course, then they shot a trifle low. So numerous were the mid-body testicular wounds, ammo was casually referred to as "ball ammo." Also, the battle cry of "kick their butts and shoot their nuts."
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    Quote Originally Posted by knitepoet View Post
    And where did you discover this pearl of wisdom?
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    Re: In describing some military ammo . . . What does BALL mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gene L View Post
    The origin of the term "ball" ammo comes from the Napoleonic Wars. Because soldiers tend to shoot high under the stress of close combat, their sergeants ordered the soldiers to "hold for their belts." Of course, then they shot a trifle low. So numerous were the mid-body testicular wounds, ammo was casually referred to as "ball ammo." Also, the battle cry of "kick their butts and shoot their nuts."
    I kinda think this is urban legend (or a funny joke) but I could be wrong. Anyone else have historic info on this? The term "ball" has always meant solid projectile ammo, today known as FMJ, I think. Besides, during Napoleonic Wars, ammo was all rough-cut ball or rounded shot for muskets.
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    Re: In describing some military ammo . . . What does BALL mean?

    I kinda figured that it came from the fact that the original ammo for muskets was a ball, the first practical pointed bullet was known as the Minie ball, and it kinda went from there.

    I also doubt that "nuts" was slang for testicle during the Napoleonic wars.
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    Re: In describing some military ammo . . . What does BALL mean?

    Minie balls were the reason for Mickey Mouse's annulment.
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    Virtual Fly Shop. I was banned for life from that one (Flyfisher Magazine) several years ago, and was almost banned from ALL InterMedia boards. But Marshal Dan saved me so I could post on this one and this one alone.

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