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    Officer charged with manslaughter in Minn. shooting

    This is the case where the guys GF videoed him.

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    Re: Officer charged with manslaughter in Minn. shooting

    it seems a little strange to me that she was as calm as she was was talking and filming with her boy friend shot and a child in back. She seem to say all the right things to make a case against the police officer.

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    Strange set of circumstances/behavior fer sure.
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    Re: Officer charged with manslaughter in Minn. shooting

    By contrast, when I heard the officer on the video and how jacked up he was, it gave some important context to her characterization of the series of events.
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    "Jacked up" isn't how I would describe it..."Completely out of effing control" is more to the point. If they show that video at his trial (and they will), he's well and truly hosed....
    If the mere mention of a firearm elicits this type of response in a police officer IMHO he got no business being a police officer....

    With the prevalence of civilians legally carrying firearms today, LEO's need some serious training from the get go on the appropriate way to deal with that situation.
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    Re: Officer charged with manslaughter in Minn. shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawker View Post
    "Jacked up" isn't how I would describe it..."Completely out of effing control" is more to the point. If they show that video at his trial (and they will), he's well and truly hosed....
    If the mere mention of a firearm elicits this type of response in a police officer IMHO he got no business being a police officer....

    With the prevalence of civilians legally carrying firearms today, LEO's need some serious training from the get go on the appropriate way to deal with that situation.
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    People legally carrying guns is a fact of life. it has been for quite awhile now and we still have police officers (mostly in large cities) that aren't able to appropriately deal with it. If National Reciprosity actually occurs places like New York, Chicago and those states that don't allow concealed carry, especially the Peoples Republic of California are going to be dangerous places...
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    Re: Officer charged with manslaughter in Minn. shooting

    I use an abundance of caution when dealing with an LEO while I am armed.

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    Re: Officer charged with manslaughter in Minn. shooting

    Other than a few paranoid bullies who are afraid to go out in public without a badge and a gun, most of the Tennessee LEO's I've dealt with have no problem with the fact I'm carrying.
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    Re: Officer charged with manslaughter in Minn. shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Teach View Post
    Other than a few paranoid bullies who are afraid to go out in public without a badge and a gun, most of the Tennessee LEO's I've dealt with have no problem with the fact I'm carrying.
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    My interactions with LEOs in Kansas and Michigan have been uneventful. Except the gal working at the Sheriffs Department after we moved and I told her I needed to register 20 handguns....and prior to the passing of the Kansas Preemption Law, there were a number of cities that had their own rather stupid laws...like Topeka...where possession of a loaded magazine was a concealed weapons charge with every round in the magazine being a seperate charge....and some of the cops could be really stupid about that one....
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    Quote Originally Posted by tubabucknut View Post
    I use an abundance of caution when dealing with an LEO while I am armed.
    Likewise,
    Alabama doesn't, but since some of the states I travel to/through do require notification, I have my pistol permit (CCL) in the same slot of my wallet as my Driver's Lic and proof of Ins. I hand the officer all three when he/she asks and place my hands back on the steering wheel until they tell me to do otherwise.

    Most of the time, their response has been, "without reaching for it, where is your firearm?" I tell them, and the interaction continues until they finish with me. No fuss, no muss and a few times I believe that's why I got off with a warning.
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    Re: Officer charged with manslaughter in Minn. shooting

    Wasn't this the guy that they found had previously robbed a store armed? Or the cops thought he did? I can't remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Wasn't this the guy that they found had previously robbed a store armed? Or the cops thought he did? I can't remember.
    He had a valid permit for his handgun and was stopped because an officer thought he"looked like" a suspect in a robbery. I guess, in the officers mind it was a good reason to execute him...
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    Re: Officer charged with manslaughter in Minn. shooting

    Didn't know that. I was on the assumption that he was verified as being the guy that committed the armed robbery. Still strange how the girlfriend acted though via the situation.

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    The video must be pretty damning, the 2 passengers were also almost shot.
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    Re: Officer charged with manslaughter in Minn. shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Didn't know that. I was on the assumption that he was verified as being the guy that committed the armed robbery. Still strange how the girlfriend acted though via the situation.
    I think at the beginning of the video she thought he was just shot in the arm. I think the realization that he was fatally wounded took a few moments to sink in. In NC I tell students to NEVER reach for ANYTHING when the police are approaching or by them, hands on the dashboard or steering wheel all the time. You are required by state law to inform the officer you have a CC permit and are carrying. If the officer erroneously (they are NOT supposed to ask) orders you to take your gun out of concealment you respectfully inform him that if he feels a need to relieve you of your licensed concealed gun you will slowly step out of the car and let him do it in full view of the dash-cam.
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    Re: Officer charged with manslaughter in Minn. shooting

    Well, it happened a few months ago that I was using a cell phone at a railroad crossing because a train was stopped on the tracks and I was doing a U-Turn to take another route. The call was to let a patient know I was going to be late. (I now have a bluetooth). I was pulled over by an Illinois state trooper. When he arrived at the window, I informed him I was armed. His first response was to unsnap his firearm and place his hand on the butt. He didn't draw, but I was almost expecting it. Having made hundreds of stops in my life, I've always felt the man behind the wheel offers me a far smaller threat than people imagine. Simply side stepping towards the rear of the car makes it nearly impossible for the driver to effectively engage me before I can "effectively" engage him/her.

    This officer was being cautious. I feel his caution was overly dramatic, but it certainly raised my level of caution as well.

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    I got pulled over by a FHP trooper years ago, and let him know I was carrying. It's not required, but a LEO friend of mine suggested I do it when stopped by bigger agencies: they tend to have more professional people, and it's a nice courtesy.

    Anyway, when I was pulled over I handed him by DL and permit, and let him know I was carrying. He said something to the effect of, "Thank you, sir. Do you mind stepping out of the car and walking to the rear?" I complied, walking in front of him. Once there, presumably in view of his dash cam, he asked me where I was carrying, if I would mind lifting my cover garment, and if he could take the firearm for "officer safety." I did so, he took it, didn't even bother to unload it, and placed it in his vehicle. We then went through the traffic stop, and he handed me the handgun, advising I lower my speed and "have as nice of a day as I can, now." I was doing 95+ on the interstate, so the fine was going to be up there. Anyway, the officer was a younger fellow, looked to be in his late 20s, and he was extremely professional in his handling of the situation. I never saw him move towards his sidearm, though he might have had his hand near it while escorting me to the rear of the vehicle.
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    The officer was acquitted on all charges, might be some riots tonight.
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    Re: Officer charged with manslaughter in Minn. shooting

    Not sure I agree with this verdict but I wasn't there.
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    Re: Officer charged with manslaughter in Minn. shooting

    Sometimes juries get it wrong...the only plus in this situation is that the guy is no longer a police officer.....
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    Not sure I agree with the verdict, but as I told my D-i-L when she was complaining about another trial that ended with acquittal, "We weren't in the courtroom and have no idea what the real evidence showed"
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    Sometimes juries get it wrong...the only plus in this situation is that the guy is no longer a police officer.....
    Yep, they said on the news tonight that they are negotiating his severance pay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BAMAAK View Post
    Not sure I agree with this verdict but I wasn't there.
    The Jury deliberated all week, they spoke to the Judge on a couple of occasions, they asked to go over testimony again and the Judge told them to go from memory, they jury had a hard time with this, they spent at least 30 hours on it themselves. I don't know where I come down on this, but the dead guy said he had a gun and after that the exchange between him and the cop was confusing, hindsight is 20/20.
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    Re: Officer charged with manslaughter in Minn. shooting

    It's impossible to make an informed determination on this. It should not have happened, and the Twin Cities community should recieve transparent information as to procedural and training corrections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHIRO1989 View Post
    The Jury deliberated all week, they spoke to the Judge on a couple of occasions, they asked to go over testimony again and the Judge told them to go from memory, they jury had a hard time with this, they spent at least 30 hours on it themselves. I don't know where I come down on this, but the dead guy said he had a gun and after that the exchange between him and the cop was confusing, hindsight is 20/20.
    Sounds like a corrupt judge to me. Same type of city corruption that let Ramos and Cicinelli walk after the beating death of Kelly Thomas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanChamberlain View Post
    Well, it happened a few months ago that I was using a cell phone at a railroad crossing because a train was stopped on the tracks and I was doing a U-Turn to take another route. The call was to let a patient know I was going to be late. (I now have a bluetooth). I was pulled over by an Illinois state trooper. When he arrived at the window, I informed him I was armed. His first response was to unsnap his firearm and place his hand on the butt. He didn't draw, but I was almost expecting it. Having made hundreds of stops in my life, I've always felt the man behind the wheel offers me a far smaller threat than people imagine. Simply side stepping towards the rear of the car makes it nearly impossible for the driver to effectively engage me before I can "effectively" engage him/her.

    This officer was being cautious. I feel his caution was overly dramatic, but it certainly raised my level of caution as well.

    I know many cops who feel lawfully concealed weapons are one of the best things to happen to crime-fighting. There always will be those who feel just as the libs feel, that the only people who should be armed are cops and military. Those guys will be the enemy one day. It's too bad.

    Ehhhh.

    I use a Level 3 retention holster. Unhooding, unlocking, and drawing takes time. I ain't got time if someone is ready with gun in hand. Even if they say they are armed.
    Plenty of video of suspects declaring they are armed only to shoot/shoot at the officer regardless.

    You've never put a hand on your CCW just in case? Maybe not in film view, but in your car when you see a shady character walking close by?

    Just is what it is. Be cordial with everyone, but everyone has a potential to be dangerous until determined otherwise. And this determination doesn't require overt overbearing-ness, either. Conversation, subtle observations, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonMPD View Post
    Be cordial with everyone, but everyone has a potential to be dangerous until determined otherwise.
    That advice should include interacting with the guy at your car window who is acting a little twitchy. Just because he's wearing a badge doesn't necessarily mean he can't be a steroid abuser who is ready to shoot first so he doesn't have to ask questions later. I had about half the Nashville PD SWAT team as students in auto body repair night classes I taught over a period of a couple of years, and about half of them fit that profile. Spooky guys!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6EQUJ5 - WOW! View Post
    Sounds like a corrupt judge to me. Same type of city corruption that let Ramos and Cicinelli walk after the beating death of Kelly Thomas.
    I doubt that, the cops were pulling over a guy with dozens of traffic stops on his record, it was not his first rodeo, that being said, Yanez had back up with him, like Dan said earlier, he could have just backed up and called in the cavalry, especially with a kid and a woman in the car, but, I was not there. I would describe a judge as liberal in MN, a liberal in MN is not the same as a liberal in GA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanChamberlain View Post
    There always will be those who feel just as the libs feel, that the only people who should be armed are cops and military. Those guys will be the enemy one day. It's too bad.
    Sadly, we're already seeing this growing trend. Cops follow the law, or at least that's what they're supposed to do. However, when unconstitutional laws are passed or laws that encroach on our freedoms get passed through legislation, it is the law enforcement officer who enforces these draconian laws without question. Most, if not all, screening processes in law enforcement is geared towards recruiting followers instead of leaders. Granted there are good honest cops out there but they'll eventually get replaced by mindless robots who lick the boots of their political masters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teach View Post
    That advice should include interacting with the guy at your car window who is acting a little twitchy. Just because he's wearing a badge doesn't necessarily mean he can't be a steroid abuser who is ready to shoot first so he doesn't have to ask questions later. I had about half the Nashville PD SWAT team as students in auto body repair night classes I taught over a period of a couple of years, and about half of them fit that profile. Spooky guys!
    Jerry

    It doesn't mean he is or isn't a steroid abuser, or twitchy, of the department failed him with poor psychological follow up after a previous near death experience perhaps?

    Too many what ifs.
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