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    Don't know.
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    Re: 62gr Barnes TSX Field Report!!

    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighShooter View Post
    No, the Death Ray, is the 130gr .308 going 3300-3800 fps! I tried the factory loads in the 300 Wby when i couldn't reload. Gotta be easy on the shots though, 3 shot string and that barrel was HOT
    Hot is an understatement. You shoot 5 rounds in a minute and you can BBQ a 20 pound brisket on that barrel.

    Of course it doesn't help matters that it's a 26 inch tooth pick. But if you get that bear zeroed in good and you can shoot it even 3 shots inside an inch you can kill about anything with it out to 400-500 yards, no problem. The .30-.378 is hotter but it's a real flinch maker. My .300 Mk V with a brake will shoot like a 308 and is sweet to shoot. My grand son has killed deer with it. He killed his first deer with my .30-06, but won't touch it now since he killed one with the .300. He calls it the Cannon! It's a great gun, but it is a real pain to get sighted in because it gets hot so fast.
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    Re: 62gr Barnes TSX Field Report!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Diver43 View Post
    Is this the same bullet that Remington loads in their Hog Hammer ammo?
    Yep. But a little slower in the Barnes.


    TSX = Triple Shot X.

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    Re: 62gr Barnes TSX Field Report!!

    This is a quite interesting thread. Might make me want to pick up some of these bullets for my "hunting" AR...
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    Zee,
    You da man!!! Your write-ups are excellent.

    We should rename you Zeeter Skelton.
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    Re: 62gr Barnes TSX Field Report!!

    Quote Originally Posted by breamfisher View Post
    This is a quite interesting thread. Might make me want to pick up some of these bullets for my "hunting" AR...
    Mat approximately $60 for 100 bullets........ouch!
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    Re: 62gr Barnes TSX Field Report!!

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    Zee,
    You da man!!! Your write-ups are excellent.

    We should rename you Zeeter Skelton.
    Glad you enjoy. We aim to please.
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    Re: 62gr Barnes TSX Field Report!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post
    Mat approximately $60 for 100 bullets........ouch!
    Graf and Sons has 'em for $26/50. A little more reasonable. Just a little.
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    Re: 62gr Barnes TSX Field Report!!

    Quote Originally Posted by snake284 View Post
    Hot is an understatement. You shoot 5 rounds in a minute and you can BBQ a 20 pound brisket on that barrel.

    Of course it doesn't help matters that it's a 26 inch tooth pick. But if you get that bear zeroed in good and you can shoot it even 3 shots inside an inch you can kill about anything with it out to 400-500 yards, no problem. The .30-.378 is hotter but it's a real flinch maker. My .300 Mk V with a brake will shoot like a 308 and is sweet to shoot. My grand son has killed deer with it. He killed his first deer with my .30-06 deer with my .30-06 but won't touch it now since he killed one with the .300. He calls it the Cannon! It's a great gun, but it is a real pain to get sighted in.
    Yea the 300 isn't a picnic to shoot at the bench. It wasn't as bad when i put the laminate stock, but now its too heavy to hunt with, according to my preference. The 130s though, were real soft on the shoulder, I'd say between a 165 and 180 '06. The 130 in the 06, even in a 7lbs rifle, were less then a 308 recoil wise. Looking at data though I won't be using the 130/06 combo again, but will for a 308. Difference is maybe 100fps.

    I still have some 180gr TTSX I never tried in the 300....may have to.
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    Re: 62gr Barnes TSX Field Report!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post
    I have some .338 cal Barnes bullets that were given to me. I may need to load them up and play around. Might hit you up for data.
    What weight, and Federal or '06?
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    Re: 62gr Barnes TSX Field Report!!

    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighShooter View Post
    What weight, and Federal or '06?
    180gr TSX for the .338-06

    210gr TSX for the .338 WM

    72gr Varminator for the .243 Win
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    Re: 62gr Barnes TSX Field Report!!

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    180gr TSX for the .338-06

    210gr TSX for the .338 WM

    72gr Varminator for the .243 Win
    I'll look at the book when i get home. But those would be the perfect weights for those cartridges! 225 MAYBE in the win mag, but with a TSX 338 I'd be looking at a 340 or RUM for anything heavier
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    Re: 62gr Barnes TSX Field Report!!

    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighShooter View Post
    I'll look at the book when i get home. But those would be the perfect weights for those cartridges! 225 MAYBE in the win mag, but with a TSX 338 I'd be looking at a 340 or RUM for anything heavier
    Those are just the Barnes bullets I've acquired over the years from folks who didn't like/didn't use them. The boxes are full or slightly less than. I've never done anything with them. Yet.
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    Re: 62gr Barnes TSX Field Report!!

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    180gr TSX for the .338-06

    210gr TSX for the .338 WM

    72gr Varminator for the .243 Win
    210 BC .404
    338 Win:
    Book best IMR4350 63.5 to 70 max.
    2678 - 2903 @102% case fill

    Also list Varget, aa2700, Hunter, IMR4831 H4831SC

    185 BC .352
    338-06

    Book best
    RL15 52.5 to 57.5
    2753 - 2967

    Also list TAC, h4895, Varget, IMR4064, IMR4320

    The 72 is not in the current book, but they've been updating their website with pdf files with new bullets
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    Re: 62gr Barnes TSX Field Report!!

    Remember, gotta jump em to get the best accuracy. Barnes suggests starting at .050 off the lands and varying .030-.060 once the best load is found. Most people run them at or very near max for best accuracy.

    And if you end up using them on game, put them in the shoulder! The vast majority of people who say they don't work, put them in the lungs like a C&C or plastic tip. They'll kill, but it'll be slower and they'll run. Those 338s can likely go through several pigs north to south, in a row
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    Re: 62gr Barnes TSX Field Report!!

    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighShooter View Post
    I'll look at the book when i get home. But those would be the perfect weights for those cartridges! 225 MAYBE in the win mag, but with a TSX 338 I'd be looking at a 340 or RUM for anything heavier
    The thing that's been a real eye-opener for me has been the penetration capabilities of hard, homogeneous bullets like these Barnes and cast, antimony-laden lead alloys. You really have to discard your former rules-of-thumb regarding X-bullet weight for Y-caliber for use on Z-class of game that were based on the earlier soft-core jacketed rounds. The conventional wisdom regarding the Barnes coppers is that they penetrate at least as well as the next weight class (or two) up, so you might do well to consider going lighter weight for greater speed and flatter trajectories.

    I'm incredibly stoked by this test in that:

    1. It killed that MONSTER boar deader than common sense in the DNC.

    2. Save for the entering rib, it was entirely a soft tissue shot that. . .

    3. . . .stopped within the body, giving us a REALLY GOOD notion of what the limitations of this technology are. If it had exited, we'd still be wondering and Zee would probably be off risking his backside on a quest for a Cape buff.

    Yeah, I'm pretty giggly about this one.

    Regarding the lackluster accuracy of the factory load. . .I gave that some thought. This round IS loaded to 5.56 NATO pressures, which most of us know to be out toward the ragged edge of sanity. Rare is the load that shoots bugholes that close to the edge of the envelope. I also noticed that they crimped the neck - great if you're wanting your M249 SAW to be reliable; not so much if you're trying to win a Benchrest match. I'm pretty sure it's not the bullet that's to blame here.
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    Re: 62gr Barnes TSX Field Report!!

    Powders I use/have that might work for the .338s......

    Benchmark
    H4895
    H4350
    H4831 & sc

    I will not buy any other powder than Hodgdon. Except Trail Boss.

    Thats just how how I roll.

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    Re: 62gr Barnes TSX Field Report!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post
    Powders I use/have that might work for the .338s......

    Benchmark
    H4895
    H4350
    H4831 & sc

    I will not buy any other powder than Hodgdon. Except Trail Boss.

    Thats just how how I roll.

    Thanks.
    338-06
    H4895
    52.5 - 2758
    55.5 - 2925

    338 Win
    H4831SC
    66.5 - 2650
    74 - 2857
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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighShooter View Post
    338-06
    H4895
    52.5 - 2758
    55.5 - 2925

    338 Win
    H4831SC
    66.5 - 2650
    74 - 2857
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    Re: 62gr Barnes TSX Field Report!!

    I was really hoping that I would be able to catch a bullet in a pig. Like mentioned, if they had all passed through, we would be wondering.

    That is is why I wanted a big one and wanted a quartering shot. Giving me enough porcine to maybe stop a Bullet.

    The other two sows of 100-125 pounds just weren't enough to stop a Bullet. Even a 62gr .22cal one. Even the spine couldn't slow it down enough to stop.

    The Barnes definitely have the penetration thing going for them. Which........is why I say I don't need them. I just don't require excessive penetration with what I have available to hunt. Ain't no Whitetail/Mule Deer or pig on this planet I can't conquer with a cup & core or bonded bullet.

    Maybe if I specialized in light for caliber or small caliber cartridges, I could use the extra penetration of the Barnes. But, I've killed some pretty big pigs with the 62/64gr Gold Dot out of the .223 Remington as well. The bullets didn't hold together on the big ones. But, they killed the pig just as dead. And well............I have a lot of those bullets.

    I am steering no one away from the Barnes. I am truly impressed with this little bullet. I'm just saying........I don't currently need it. But, I wouldn't kick it out of bed.
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    Re: 62gr Barnes TSX Field Report!!

    Got me thinking now.......

    The 80 or 85 6mm, in the 6x45. Or the 100gr in the 25-06.
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    Re: 62gr Barnes TSX Field Report!!

    Just checked their page, only Hodgdon showing for the 243 is Superformance

    46.7 - 3366
    51.9 - 3674
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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighShooter View Post
    Got me thinking now.......

    The 80 or 85 6mm, in the 6x45.
    THIS is the one cartridge I have that I'd consider the Barnes bullet for. I have been very pleased with the 85gr Sierra HPBT-Game King that I've been using. But, this is one cartridge I use that I think could benefit from the extra penetration of the Barnes to lead this cartridge into its own.

    I might have to do some research.
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    Re: 62gr Barnes TSX Field Report!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post
    THIS is the one cartridge I have that I'd consider the Barnes bullet for. I have been very pleased with the 85gr Sierra HPBT-Game King that I've been using. But, this is one cartridge I use that I think could benefit from the extra penetration of the Barnes to lead this cartridge into its own.

    I might have to do some research.
    The trouble is going to be the bullet length in such a short case that HAS to fit in an AR magazine for me.
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    Re: 62gr Barnes TSX Field Report!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post
    THIS is the one cartridge I have that I'd consider the Barnes bullet for. I have been very pleased with the 85gr Sierra HPBT-Game King that I've been using. But, this is one cartridge I use that I think could benefit from the extra penetration of the Barnes to lead this cartridge into its own.

    I might have to do some research.
    The 85s you are using are the max length, right? A similar weight Barnes is gonna be longer. And if your gonna go with lighter than 85, use a 223
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    The OTHER problem as mentioned with the Barnes, is the high cost.

    Were i using a bolt gun or single shot for 1 or two deer a year.......not so bad. But........for pig eradication...........it can be a high volume endeavor. So, the cost adds up. I may go through 10-12 rounds at one heard.
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    Re: 62gr Barnes TSX Field Report!!

    Quote Originally Posted by cpj View Post
    The 85s you are using are the max length, right? A similar weight Barnes is gonna be longer. And if your gonna go with lighter than 85, use a 223
    Kinda what I figured.

    I just looked at the bullet on Midway. It's a long skinny boat tail. Yeah. That ain't gonna work. I've got the Sierra at Mag length already.
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    Re: 62gr Barnes TSX Field Report!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post
    The trouble is going to be the bullet length in such a short case that HAS to fit in an AR magazine for me.
    True, OAL could be an issue.

    Looking at the online loads, they have the 70gr .223 at 2.250, which should fit, and just shy of 2900 with H4895. I imagine the 80 gr 6mm is pretty close to the 70 .223. They also list their match 85gr at 2.260 and 2528 with H4895. I'm guessing the 6x45 would end up somewhere in between those, in length and velocity.
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    Re: 62gr Barnes TSX Field Report!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post
    Kinda what I figured.

    I just looked at the bullet on Midway. It's a long skinny boat tail. Yeah. That ain't gonna work. I've got the Sierra at Mag length already.
    I think the 80 TTSX may work, the 85 TSX looks to have a longer ogive. The 80 has near the same BC at .331 vs .333. The rings look more centered, the TSX further back
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    Re: 62gr Barnes TSX Field Report!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post
    THIS is the one cartridge I have that I'd consider the Barnes bullet for. I have been very pleased with the 85gr Sierra HPBT-Game King that I've been using. But, this is one cartridge I use that I think could benefit from the extra penetration of the Barnes to lead this cartridge into its own.

    I might have to do some research.
    Might actually be worth nagging Barnes on this topic. I'm kinda surprised that 80 and 85 grains are as light as the TSX and TTSX families go with 6mm. Considering how they penetrate, they could drop down into the 70 grain range with a flat base and still be OK for a lot of game.
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