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    All BS aside, if I'm in bear country, and I don't care what color the bears be, whether black or brown, I'm not taking a .270, nor a .280 or .260 or 6.5-06. And a Bear isn't like a hog. For one thing a hog can't climb trees.
    I've heard hogs will chase you if you shoot at em or wound em. I have never experienced that. And I've never heard of a hog killing a man. But I've heard many stories of bears killing people even black bears. So to me, they're dangerous game. A 30-06 with minimum 180 grain bullet and preferably something bigger for me. You can call me chicken but at least I may survive to hear it.

    I can't think of a sweeter round for bear than a 9.3x62 with a minimum 250 grain bullet. That's my recommendation (preferably with a 12 inch bayonet on the end). Put a 250-270 grain bullet between his ears and he's gonna stop in his tracks or very close there on..
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    Quote Originally Posted by snake284 View Post
    You can call me chicken.......
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    Weatherby has a few under his belt, hope he comes along shortly.
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    I've busted a few, but all with my .50cal flintlock, and I'm not sure about where the ballistics/strength would correlate with a modern firearm. But I do offer this suggestion though others may differ: Don't trust a brain shot. Too small and too difficult to place the round exactly right. Double-lung has been my best option. And one other suggestion! Bust him somewhere close to a road--like 10 or 15 yards--where you can drive up to him to load! I will never again drag a damn bear down off a lead through laurel thickets and across creeks

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsrunner View Post
    I've busted a few, but all with my .50cal flintlock, and I'm not sure about where the ballistics/strength would correlate with a modern firearm. But I do offer this suggestion though others may differ: Don't trust a brain shot. Too small and too difficult to place the round exactly right. Double-lung has been my best option. And one other suggestion! Bust him somewhere close to a road--like 10 or 15 yards--where you can drive up to him to load! I will never again drag a damn bear down off a lead through laurel thickets and across creeks
    Dont expect them to be impressed by brandishing. I've had my .50 pointed at two well giving verbal warning. Neither one seemed all that frightened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHighShooter View Post
    I didn't mean not A 30-06, I meant MY 30-06, which has already drawn blood. I've been using a muzzleloader the last 3 years, so I've got several rifles that have never even been pointed at fur.

    What 130gr are you going to be using for the 308? Curious about that one. I've got several boxes of 130gr TSX I plan to try out if me and Calebib figure out the stock on my 308
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsrunner View Post
    I've busted a few, but all with my .50cal flintlock, and I'm not sure about where the ballistics/strength would correlate with a modern firearm. But I do offer this suggestion though others may differ: Don't trust a brain shot. Too small and too difficult to place the round exactly right. Double-lung has been my best option. And one other suggestion! Bust him somewhere close to a road--like 10 or 15 yards--where you can drive up to him to load! I will never again drag a damn bear down off a lead through laurel thickets and across creeks
    I've never killed a bear, but that's what the bayonet is for.....
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    Don't brain them regardless. The skulls are awesome! Heart/lung is where it is at.

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    Oh... and black bear is good eats! Think beef, but with a coarser grain, a tad sweeter and more earthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jermanator View Post
    Don't brain them regardless. The skulls are awesome! Heart/lung is where it is at.
    OK, like I said I never killed or hunted bear. But regardless the anatomy I take aim at, anything I shoot at it with, I want to do it with some big artillery. Anything that can and will eat me I want a Big Stick to deal with it. 9.3x62 minimum! And make that a 270 grain Speer Hot Core!!! And I don't care if Grandpa killed 40 of 'em with a 22 hornet, I want to make BIG HOLES in it.
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    There not bullet proof. A bear is like everything else hit them where it counts and they will be done. Whatever you use just make sure too use the proper ammunition. I know some on here like the a-max but that would not be my choice. I have used them on deer with good results. If I'm spot and stalking or still hunting I want a bullet that I can rely on too break bone. If you don't have a perfect broadside shot I want a bullet tough enough too break that shoulder bone and break that bear down. My .02

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wambli Ska View Post
    Weatherby has a few under his belt, hope he comes along shortly.
    Thanks Enzo you guys have it pretty well covered.
    All I'll add is
    I've found " Black bears" go down both easier and quicker than a deer would.
    The Crux being you just don't know how big a bear you will run into and in some cases what you are carrying may feel a bit inadequate as Mike said.
    Here in Mass most taken fall into the lower two slots
    Being the 150 pound slot....Then the 250 pound one.
    Next it would jump to the bigger boys in the 400 pound class..... That's where you start thinking about the adequate part.
    Occasionally one will show up like this.
    He visited grizz1229's house a few times.
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    Scott couldn't reach up to fill that bird feeder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tubabucknut View Post
    I find this very interesting. I got real interested in hunting a Grizzly several years ago and looked into suitable cartridges. I read all kinds of "wisdom" espousing bigger and bigger cartlridges. Lots of people on lots of forums claiming a 375 h and h being minimum, and all that. I finally found my way to an Alaska forum where locals posted all the time, and they would make fun of all of that kind of stuff they would read. Plenty of guys on that board hunting grizzlys with .308s, and a few with .243s. Some of the Native Alaskans regularly hunted Grizzlys with 30/30s, and even .223s. I learned a lot during that little research phase. One of the things I learned was to Find people who regularly hunt what you are interested in hunting, and get your info from them.

    Please note I am not telling you to hunt a coastal grizzly with a .223 bolt gun or a .243, just a point of interest is all.
    I've heard tell some Eskimos hunt them with .222 Remingtons too. But I've never run a survey on it to see how many eskimos would do this.

    I myself would not hunt an animal that could be and is construed by many to be dangerous game on internet hearsay with a relatively light rifle.

    I've never hunted any color bear but I've heard enough that black bear can be aggressive in certain situations and they have killed AND eaten Human Beings, maybe not regularly, but they are capable and have done so before.

    I err on the side of caution. Since I have no experience with bear hunting, knowing what I've read and heard from people that have hunted them I would over gun, at first. Maybe through experience I'd back off that a bit. Being a bit cautious "ain't no thang" to me. I don't worry about my penis size so much while hunting. I'm not the type to beat on my chest and run out in front of a charging cape buffalo. Jus' sayin'!
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    Quote Originally Posted by snake284 View Post
    I've heard tell many Eskimos hunt them with .222 Remingtons too.
    My kinda guys. The only reason they used a 222 was that the 204 hadnt been invented yet...............
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    I remember reading/hearing somewhere that the largest Alaskan brown bear ever taken was killed by an Indian woman with a .22 rimfire. As the story goes, she was walking up a trail, toting her 22, when she spotted the bear heading her way. Apparently, it did not see, hear or smell her. She hid by the side of the trail and popped it in the head (behind the ear, I think) with a single shot.

    I have no idea if this is true, but I'll stick to something a bit larger.

    There was also a story circulating about 10-12 years ago of an Alaskan game warden killing a very large coastal brown bear with a 7 mag. I think he had to shoot it about 10-15 times. The bear supposedly stood about 13 ft. tall.
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    “So I started getting in the zone,” Winnen said. “When I am going to take an animal, I am really concentrating. We racked shells into our guns and took off our packs and left them by the tree.”

    Really? Someone's hunting for bear, and decides to WAIT until they see one to chamber a round? Someone's been watching too many hunting shows.

    As for the .22 rimfire rifle shown in the picture, it sort of looks like my Winchester Model 58. Maybe it's the same rifle. Yeah, that has to be it. I have the rifle that was used by Bella Twin to kill a world record Grizzly Bear in 1953.

    Would it be best to use gunbroker or gunsamerica to sell this rare and very desirable collector piece?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JerryBobCo View Post
    I remember reading/hearing somewhere that the largest Alaskan brown bear ever taken was killed by an Indian woman with a .22 rimfire. As the story goes, she was walking up a trail, toting her 22, when she spotted the bear heading her way. Apparently, it did not see, hear or smell her. She hid by the side of the trail and popped it in the head (behind the ear, I think) with a single shot.

    I have no idea if this is true, but I'll stick to something a bit larger.

    There was also a story circulating about 10-12 years ago of an Alaskan game warden killing a very large coastal brown bear with a 7 mag. I think he had to shoot it about 10-15 times. The bear supposedly stood about 13 ft. tall.
    I heard the Indian girl was hiding in a blow down and shot the bear trying to get at her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post
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    Re: What's your ideal bear cartridge?

    There was that guide that took a brown bear with a 9mm last year.

    https://www.americanhunter.org/artic...th-9mm-pistol/

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    I'm planning to use my .308 Win as it is the only hunting caliber I have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rimfire View Post
    I'm planning to use my .308 Win as it is the only hunting caliber I have.
    Going out on a limb, I'm going to say you'll survive. Might even kill a Black Bear in the process. Before he kills you and all of mankind.
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    I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JerryBobCo View Post
    Maybe you two should get a room.
    If they do, watch out for the Texas heart shot. This would be one instance where I do not want to know the weapon used, and certainly want no pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tubabucknut View Post
    If they do, watch out for the Texas heart shot. This would be one instance where I do not want to know the weapon used, and certainly want no pictures.


    Care to know who the shooter was?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Six-Gun View Post


    Care to know who the shooter was?
    I don't want to know what length barrel, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JerryBobCo View Post
    I don't want to know what length barrel, either.
    Or the caliber. Nope don't want to know.

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    I can shoot farther.
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