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    Re: ASTM to set cannabis standards

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliFFL View Post
    Common sense regulations.....Where have I heard that before?
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    Re: ASTM to set cannabis standards

    Quote Originally Posted by Jermanator View Post
    And giving this a little thought... the government really doesn't need to provide/set/regulate standards for this. Ideally, the industry would do it itself. SAAMI in the firearm industry is a good example. Having standards and accountability would be good for the industry as a whole-- be it big boys or little guys.
    I'd be happy with that.
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    Re: ASTM to set cannabis standards

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliFFL View Post
    The first line of this thread:



    ASTM is setting standards without government or conservative GOP rhetoric.
    Yea. So? With reading comprehension, how could we fill 3 pages in a thread?
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    Re: ASTM to set cannabis standards

    No controls on it now...how well is that working out?
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    No controls on it now...how well is that working out?
    Better than immigration?
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    Re: ASTM to set cannabis standards

    Quote Originally Posted by early View Post
    Pot homegrown is not consumed by the general public. Some common sense regulation now would reduce ammunition for those trying to eradicate the industry later. Excessive and burdensome does not need to characterise all regulations.
    I hate that term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jermanator View Post
    I have been encountering all the hurdles needing to jump to make it in the distilled spirits market, just as you have had to contend with all the crap associated with getting into the firearm manufacturing business so we both know better. Looking at it, tell me how many of those regulations actually have something to do with the safety of the public vs. the goobermint getting their money and/or being a barrier in place to discourage us little guys from going into business?

    I have no problems with little guys competing with Ruger, Glock, and Remington, nor am I afraid of competing with Brown-Forman (the mega billion dollar, multinational company that owns and manages the brand, Jack Daniels, among many many others). I just want to make sure small businesses and start ups are not shut out of the industry. Big business has a way (through their lobbyists) of influencing legislation that does that, and it pisses me off.

    Absolutely. Compete to your hearts content and don't back down.

    What I'm implying is that most people won't put in the effort to try and compete.

    Oh and absolutely zero, zilch, nada, none of the regulations I have to bow down to will ever nor we're designed to "protect" the people.
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    Re: ASTM to set cannabis standards

    Quote Originally Posted by Buford View Post
    I hate that term.
    Yeah, that's the 3 words liberals use to BS the public on guns.
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    Re: ASTM to set cannabis standards

    Quote Originally Posted by Make_My_Day View Post
    Yeah, that's the 3 words liberals use to BS the public on guns.

    Not just liberals. Folks call for regulation all the time and think of themselves as conservative. They're generally just looking for different regulations. You know, common sense regulations... not like the other side does.
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    Only real regulation it needs is testing for potency. Anything else is really just window dressing, and meddling by govco.
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    Re: ASTM to set cannabis standards

    Quote Originally Posted by Gene L View Post
    No controls on it now...how well is that working out?

    Not true. Washington state has a pile of controls in place. Here are the labeling requirements for recreational cannabis:

    Packaging and labeling requirements.

    (1) All usable marijuana and marijuana-infused products must be stored behind a counter or other barrier to ensure a customer does not have direct access to the product.
    (2) Any container or packaging containing usable marijuana, marijuana concentrates, or marijuana-infused products must protect the product from contamination and must not impart any toxic or deleterious substance to the usable marijuana, marijuana concentrates, or marijuana-infused product.
    (3) Upon the request of a retail customer, a retailer must disclose the name of the certified third-party testing lab and results of the required quality assurance test for any usable marijuana, marijuana concentrate, or marijuana-infused product the customer is considering purchasing.
    (4) Usable marijuana, marijuana concentrates, and marijuana-infused products must not be labeled as organic unless permitted by the United States Department of Agriculture in accordance with the Organic Foods Production Act.
    (5) The certified third-party testing lab and required results of the quality assurance test must be included with each lot and disclosed to the customer buying the lot.
    (6) A marijuana producer must make quality assurance test results available to any processor purchasing product. A marijuana producer must label each lot of marijuana with the following information:
    (a) Lot number;
    (b) UBI number of the producer; and
    (c) Weight of the product.
    (7) Marijuana-infused products and marijuana concentrates meant to be eaten, swallowed, or inhaled, must be packaged in child resistant packaging in accordance with Title 16 C.F.R. 1700 of the Poison Prevention Packaging Act or use standards specified in this subsection. Marijuana-infused product in solid or liquid form may be packaged in plastic four mil or greater in thickness and be heat sealed with no easy-open tab, dimple, corner, or flap as to make it difficult for a child to open and as a tamperproof measure. Marijuana-infused product in liquid form may also be sealed using a metal crown cork style bottle cap.
    Marijuana-infused solid edible products. If there is more than one serving in the package, each serving must be packaged individually in childproof packaging (see WAC 314-55-105(7)) and placed in the outer package.
    Marijuana-infused liquid edible products. If there is more than one serving in the package, a measuring device must be included in the package with the product. Hash marks on the bottle do not qualify as a measuring device. A measuring cap or dropper must be included in the package with the marijuana-infused liquid edible product.
    (8)
    (9) A producer or processor may not treat or otherwise adulterate usable marijuana with any organic or nonorganic chemical or other compound whatsoever to alter the color, appearance, weight, or smell of the usable marijuana.
    (10) Labels must comply with the version of NIST Handbook 130, Uniform Packaging and Labeling Regulation adopted in chapter 16-662 WAC.
    (11) All marijuana and marijuana products when sold at retail must include accompanying material that is attached to the package or is given separately to the consumer containing the following warnings:
    (a) "Warning: This product has intoxicating effects and may be habit forming. Smoking is hazardous to your health";
    (b) "There may be health risks associated with consumption of this product";
    (c) "Should not be used by women that are pregnant or breast feeding";
    (d) "For use only by adults twenty-one and older. Keep out of reach of children";
    (e) "Marijuana can impair concentration, coordination, and judgment. Do not operate a vehicle or machinery under the influence of this drug";
    (f) Statement that discloses all pesticides applied to the marijuana plants and growing medium during production and processing.
    (12) Labels affixed to the container or package containing marijuana or marijuana products sold at retail must include:
    (a) The business or trade name and the sixteen digit Washington state unified business identifier number of the licensees that produced, processed and sold the marijuana or marijuana products. The marijuana retail licensee trade name and Washington state unified business identifier number may be in the form of a sticker placed on the label;
    (b) Sixteen digit inventory ID number assigned by the WSLCB's traceability system. This must be the same number that appears on the transport manifest;
    (c) Net weight in ounces and grams or volume as appropriate;
    (d) Statement that discloses all pesticides applied to the marijuana plants and growing medium during production of the base marijuana used to create the extract added to infused products; and
    (e) If solvents were used, statement that discloses the type of extraction method, including any solvents, gases, or other chemicals or compounds used to produce or that are added to the extract.
    (f) Warnings that state: "This product has intoxicating effects and may be habit forming";
    (g) Statement that "This product may be unlawful outside of Washington state";
    (h) The WSLCB may create a logo that must be placed on all usable marijuana and marijuana-infused products.
    (13) In addition to requirements in subsection (10) of this section, labels affixed to the container or package containing usable marijuana, or packaged marijuana mix sold at retail must include:
    (a) Concentration of THC (total THC and activated THC-A) and CBD (total CBD and activated CBD-A);
    (b) Date of harvest.
    (14) In addition to requirements in subsection (10) of this section, labels affixed to the container or package containing marijuana-infused products meant to be eaten or swallowed sold at retail must include:
    (a) Date manufactured;
    (b) Best by date;
    (c) Serving size and the number of servings contained within the unit;
    (d) Total milligrams of active THC, or Delta 9 and total milligrams of active CBD;
    (e) List of all ingredients and major food allergens as defined in the Food Allergen Labeling and Consumer Protection Act of 2004;
    (f) "Caution: When eaten or swallowed, the intoxicating effects of this drug may be delayed by two or more hours."
    (15) In addition to requirements in subsection (10) of this section, labels affixed to the container or package containing marijuana-infused extract for inhalation, or infused marijuana mix sold at retail must include:
    (a) Date manufactured;
    (b) Best by date;
    (c) Concentration of THC (total Delta 9 and Delta 9 THC-A) and CBD (total CBD and activated CBD-A).
    (16) In addition to requirements in subsection (10) of this section, labels affixed to the container or package containing marijuana topicals sold at retail must include:
    (a) Date manufactured;
    (b) Best by date;
    (c) Total milligrams of active tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), or Delta 9 and total milligrams of active CBD.
    (17) Other cannabinoids and terpenes may be included on the label if:
    (a) The producer or processor has test results from a certified third-party lab to support the claim; and
    (b) The lab results are made available to the consumer upon request.
    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=314-55-105
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    Nature abhors a vacuum. Which means if there are no controls and no rules, gangs will fill the vacuum for big $$$$$$$$, which they do now. Like Prohibition.
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    Re: ASTM to set cannabis standards

    I have never smoke even simple tobacco, because I care about my health and don't need special preparates to relax or to feel hapiness. But I think that people who can't be happy without dopings really need more standards and more control. Just because they can't rule themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Basik View Post
    I have never smoke even simple tobacco, because I care about my health and don't need special preparates to relax or to feel hapiness. But I think that people who can't be happy without dopings really need more standards and more control. Just because they can't rule themselves.

    This is a deeper philosophy than most are willing to explore.
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    Re: ASTM to set cannabis standards

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    I have never smoke even simple tobacco, because I care about my health and don't need special preparates to relax or to feel hapiness. But I think that people who can't be happy without dopings really need more standards and more control. Just because they can't rule themselves.
    Sounds like a communist attitude.
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    Re: ASTM to set cannabis standards

    Quote Originally Posted by Basik View Post
    I have never smoke even simple tobacco, because I care about my health and don't need special preparates to relax or to feel hapiness. But I think that people who can't be happy without dopings really need more standards and more control. Just because they can't rule themselves.
    We are Americans - Nearly every citizen is on some kind of dope. We pour drugs into our children to make them stop acting like kids. We call these drugs "prescriptions" to make us feel better about our personal failings.
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    Re: ASTM to set cannabis standards

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    Sounds like a communist attitude.
    Sounds more fascist than Commie to me, Jack Boots and all, Sic Heil!!!
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    Back in my latter youth when I was into experimenting with new things, I toyed with Marijuana to see what it was like. Of course, like Bill Clinton I didn't inhale (You believe that I have some land for sale).

    Anyway we were working up the Mississippi Between Greenville Mississippi and Memphis and a guy hired on as deck hand who was from the general area. He told my Oiler about some bad ass Weed that was altered with a poison he called Coachitrane (That's phonetically spelled like it sounded, because I never saw it written out). He said you soaked the plant in Coachitrane (I guess they sprayed it down with it and let it soak in). Then when it was seeded out and matured you harvested it and took the seeds and planted them(Or maybe you just took the seeds and soaked them in Coachitrane, I'm not real sure but I know I wouldn't want to smoke something that was grown from seeds soaked in poison). You didn't smoke that pot. Then you took those seeds and planted them. Anyway he said it was safe to smoke after the third generation plant.

    As for me, I don't like to get the government involved in stuff like that, but reflecting on stuff like the Coachitrane Pot, if it was legal to smoke pot here in Texas I sure wouldn't smoke it without testing being mandatory just in case it went through a similar process to that.

    He claimed the stuff would knock you to next year. I'd just as soon stay in this year until next year gets here thank you. In view of this, I think it would be a real good idea that testing be mandatory. And this should be plainly printed on the label.
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    Re: ASTM to set cannabis standards

    Quote Originally Posted by Basik View Post
    I have never smoke even simple tobacco, because I care about my health and don't need special preparates to relax or to feel hapiness. But I think that people who can't be happy without dopings really need more standards and more control. Just because they can't rule themselves.
    I was waiting for some ole stereotypical man to come by with a "All pot smokers are lazy, doper moochers and don't amount to anything"! Nicely done.

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    Re: ASTM to set cannabis standards

    Quote Originally Posted by cpj View Post
    Sounds like a communist attitude.

    I saw it, what you did there.
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    I watched Easy Rider this week. Now I cant get "God'am the pusher man," outta my head :-)
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