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    I don't even like to think about what the Gettysburg area was like for the rest of the year or even beyond. I bet a quiet person can still feel it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by early View Post
    I don't even like to think about what the Gettysburg area was like for the rest of the year or even beyond. I bet a quiet person can still feel it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by early View Post
    I don't even like to think about what the Gettysburg area was like for the rest of the year or even beyond. I bet a quiet person can still feel it.
    Recently I was looking at some period photographs of a Civil War battleground(can't remember which 1)taken a year after the battle and there were skulls and bones scattered on the ground.

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    This is complete, and utter PCBS. Send them to California...
    I agree, these are our heroes, our Honored Dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by early View Post
    I don't even like to think about what the Gettysburg area was like for the rest of the year or even beyond. I bet a quiet person can still feel it.
    Few years ago I was on "The Wheatfield" and Little Round top on a late summer evening.....yes...you can still feel it....it's like an energy..it made the hair on my arms stand up...Every time I have been there I get the same weird feeling....
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    Quote Originally Posted by RugerFan View Post
    Recently I was looking at some period photographs of a Civil War battleground(can't remember which 1)taken a year after the battle and there were skulls and bones scattered on the ground.
    Yeah, that happened in all the major battles. Bones were left to bleach in the sun because the numbers of bodies were more than could be dealt with in a timely manner and burial parties were overwhelmed. I think it was Antietam where burial parties came back the next year to clean the place up and bury the by then bleached bones. I've seen pictures of some of the major battle fields where there were bones like that 3-4 years after the battle. Those battles were some gruesome affairs.

    As for the burning and pillaging I guess both sides have their stories. But why then is Sherman known so well for it?
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    As for the burning and pillaging I guess both sides have their stories. But why then is Sherman known so well for it?
    Because it was the first time the north brought the war in all its nastiness to the deep south and there was no leadership to stop him and he did whatever he wanted to. It was a rout and a embarrassment so the years have changed it from "we didnt have our poop together" to a "evil overwhelming force". He was much more effective at it than Lee was. Chambersburg, the rebs were caught and decimated, Gettysburgh, which was Lees and the Souths "March to the sea" was stopped and he was beaten. Gettysburg was not the destination, its where all those great generals did their own thing.

    When Shermans troops burned Colombia in 65, it was a "outrage". However unlike Chambersburg, they were not under orders to do so, but he didnt stop them.
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    This behavior is starting to snowball. Now there is a group pushing to remove a statue of General Robert E Lee from Charlottesville VA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphasigmookie View Post
    I generally agree about that the current effort to remove any statue, monument, or memorial to Confederate soldiers or leaders is wrong. It is part of history and people should remember it.

    I do disagree with your other point though. There are literally tens if not hundreds of thousands of buildings, monuments, streets, etc. Named after Washington. I can't go 2 blacks(I think you meant Blocks) in the capital city named after Washington without running into something else named after him. I didn't know who Drew was, but after looking it up, yes it seems like pioneering medical procedures that saved the lives of thousands of soldiers in WWII is the type of thing that is deserving of having a school named after you.




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    Yeah True! The guy is something of a national hero and does deserve a school or hospital or at the very least a few parks named after him, even a street or hiway or two, but wait til you build a new one. Don't take it away from anybody else deserving. Renaming is tacki

    On a side note, Drew had a tragic ending. He wasn't quite 46 years old and died in a car wreck. After reading about his life I have no problem with naming something after him, but stand by what I said about renaming something named for another great American. There's just too many opportunities for having something named for you to take it away from someone else. I always hated that practice and it cheapens his accomplishments in my view.
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    How about if we make a fair trade? For every Confederate memorial that's removed, how about renaming something like a street, a building, or something similar honoring a philandering rabble-rouser who traveled around the country with a harem of nubile young groupies, stirring up racial tensions in the 1960's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisheadgib View Post
    Our local news showed them removing one of the statues of Jefferson Davis this morning and the work crews hid their faces and were wearing flak vests. They already removed the obelisk monument dedicated to the Battle of Liberty Place and they have two more to go. One of General Robert E Lee and an equestrian statue of PGT Beauregard.
    If they want to they can bring ol' Jeff Davis's statue over here to my front yard and I will proudly display it and they won't have to hide their faces from the camera, not because I was a fan of slavery, but because I'm a son of the South and will gladly drink a few (Coffee's now) in honor of my Southern Heritage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teach View Post
    How about if we make a fair trade? For every Confederate memorial that's removed, how about renaming something like a street, a building, or something similar honoring a philandering rabble-rouser who traveled around the country with a harem of nubile young groupies, stirring up racial tensions in the 1960's.

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    ON the news this afternoon, city of Orlando is proposes moving a confederate statue, from Lake Eola Park to Greenwood cemetery that has a confederate solders section.

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    Goodbye General Beauregard. He was removed last night. Of course when General Lee is gone the ignorant idiots will insist all other similar statues be removed, display of flags that offend them be made a felony, and all Confederate soldiers dug up and removed from our national cemeteries. After that they will think of more. Count on it.

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    I find it hard to shed many tears for statues of traitors. People like Beauregard should have been hanged after the war, not lionized. It was a mistake on the part of the Union to not punish the Confederate leaders for their futile, traitorous stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by casinoroyale View Post
    I find it hard to shed many tears for statues of traitors. People like Beauregard should have been hanged after the war, not lionized. It was a mistake on the part of the Union to not punish the Confederate leaders for their futile, traitorous stupidity.
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    Closing the hunting season on at least a few damyankees in 1865 was a big mistake. They managed to breed somehow, despite their ugliness and stupidity, and look at the result!

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    Quote Originally Posted by casinoroyale View Post
    I find it hard to shed many tears for statues of traitors. People like Beauregard should have been hanged after the war, not lionized. It was a mistake on the part of the Union to not punish the Confederate leaders for their futile, traitorous stupidity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by casinoroyale View Post
    I find it hard to shed many tears for statues of traitors. People like Beauregard should have been hanged after the war, not lionized. It was a mistake on the part of the Union to not punish the Confederate leaders for their futile, traitorous stupidity.
    And if the Union did punish Confederate leaders, for what crime? Secession was not a crime at the time; revolution is how the US was founded. The CSA resigned from the Union legally.

    Punishing Confederate leaders would have led to the war going on for another decade, at least.
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    Far worse, and longer-lasting damage was done during "reconstruction" than while the bullets were flying. It took WW II to bring a halt to some, but not all of the atrocities the carpetbaggers committed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by casinoroyale View Post
    I find it hard to shed many tears for statues of traitors. People like Beauregard should have been hanged after the war, not lionized. It was a mistake on the part of the Union to not punish the Confederate leaders for their futile, traitorous stupidity.
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    At least Alabama has taken steps to keep this foolishness from occurring in their state.

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    And yet there was a story on the news last night about some people wanting to remove a confederate statue from the Madison county AL courthouse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnerK19 View Post
    At least Alabama has taken steps to keep this foolishness from occurring in their state.

    http://yellowhammernews.com/politics...monuments-jal/
    One of the 4 comments in the article reminded me of something I have often observed. Comment: "Alabama is anything but sweet...it's divided." Yes. Some parts of it are divided. So are very many other places in the U.S.. Even though segregation has been outlawed for decades people of races, ethnicities, and cultures other than white in some places tend to segregate themselves. There are also places where everyone is well integrated. I often wonder why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgtrock21 View Post
    One of the 4 comments in the article reminded me of something I have often observed. Comment: "Alabama is anything but sweet...it's divided." Yes. Some parts of it are divided. So are very many other places in the U.S.. Even though segregation has been outlawed for decades people of races, ethnicities, and cultures other than white in some places tend to segregate themselves. There are also places where everyone is well integrated. I often wonder why.
    I would say economics as much as anything. There is also a racial element but more affluent blacks don't usually live in the hood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BAMAAK View Post
    I would say economics as much as anything. There is also a racial element but more affluent blacks don't usually live in the hood.
    That is an aspect to it, but believe it or not there is such a thing as a black neighborhood that isn't a ghetto. Lots of them around DC, but then many white people seem to automatically assume they're ghettos because lots of black people live there, even though the average income is often middle class or above. People do tend to self segregate to a degree though and not just race, but religion, age, and political beliefs are other ways people self segregate. People just tend to like to be around people like them.
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    In the city where we used to live when I retired there are several areas that could be described as ghettos.... reminiscent of third world crap holes and there is no racial distinction. As many whites living there as blacks..the factor that the occupants have in common is low income (outside of the welfare system) and high crime...seems as if the assorted dirt bags, scrotes, scammers, petty thieves, etc,etc,etc just sorta flock together and turn once nice neighborhoods into urban cesspools...
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    Did i say ghetto? Didn't think I did. Nope didn't say it at all but thank you for telling me what I meant and think. I would bet your Lilly white ass has never lived anywhere near a "black neighborhood". Middle class or otherwise.
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    Some of the most "ghetto" kids I tried to teach were white, mostly on the bottom rung of the socio-economic scale, with either single mothers on the crack pipe, or with live-in boyfriends who had a serious work allergy and subsisted on various quasi-legal means of making enough money for their daily 12-pack and whatever brand of cheap cigarettes the local quick mart could supply. Most of the better students referred to them as "wiggers". ""Wannabe N - - - - -". You get the picture!
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