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    Legislator Starts Bill To Limit State Gun Control Laws

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...-gun-controls/

    Not sure how I take this yet but it appears a NY Republican Representative wants to have legislation to keep state laws like NY SAFE Act from cutting gun owners rights ...

    WKBW reports Collins’ bill is titled the Second Amendment Guarantee Act (SAGA), and its language explicitly “[limits] the authority of states to regulate conduct, or impose penalties or taxes in relation to rifles or shotguns.” It is designed to catch laws that go beyond federal statutes and render them void.

    According to the Buffalo News, Collins described SAGA, saying, “This legislation would protect the Second Amendment rights of New Yorkers that were unjustly taken away by Andrew Cuomo. I am a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment and have fought against all efforts to condemn these rights. I stand with the law-abiding citizens of this state that have been outraged by the SAFE Act and voice my commitment to roll back these regulations.”
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    Re: Legislator Starts Bill To Limit State Gun Control Laws

    Its about bloody time! Stuff *THIS* up your posterior, Moonbeam!
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    Re: Legislator Starts Bill To Limit State Gun Control Laws

    Being that firearms are federally regulated, I would say its about damn time they mind their own business.

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    Could do some good, and it could be a herd of camel noses under the tent. But then, I'm a States Rights 10th Amendment kind of guy. And if the people of a state wish to be treated like chattel property by the state and let it happen without pitching a hissy conniption fit and bringing out the tar and feathers, then that's how the cookie crumbles.
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    Re: Legislator Starts Bill To Limit State Gun Control Laws

    So you want to do away with states rights. What happens next election when someone like hillary gets elected? States rights and all.
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    Re: Legislator Starts Bill To Limit State Gun Control Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Buford View Post
    So you want to do away with states rights. What happens next election when someone like hillary gets elected? States rights and all.
    Futzing with the 2A is NOT a state's rights issue! This falls under all that "inalienable human rights" topic. The BOR is one of the things the states don't get to tinker with, short of successfully pulling off an Article V, 2/3rds majority in both houses of Congress. So no, other than their votes in the House and Senate regarding NATIONAL laws, the states shouldn't have a say in this.

    Do any of your OTHER Constitutional freedoms change drastically when you cross state lines?
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    Re: Legislator Starts Bill To Limit State Gun Control Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Buford View Post
    So you want to do away with states rights. What happens next election when someone like hillary gets elected? States rights and all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bigslug View Post
    Futzing with the 2A is NOT a state's rights issue! This falls under all that "inalienable human rights" topic. The BOR is one of the things the states don't get to tinker with, short of successfully pulling off an Article V, 2/3rds majority in both houses of Congress. So no, other than their votes in the House and Senate regarding NATIONAL laws, the states shouldn't have a say in this.

    Do any of your OTHER Constitutional freedoms change drastically when you cross state lines?
    I feel like Bigslug does too on this issue. Some things have to be dealt with across the board, such as constitutional or BOR violations. In New York today, you can become a felon traveling from Tarrytown into New York City with a CW if you have a NYS license. One county issues unrestricted CC Licenses and others refuse to issue anything but "target shooting and range" licenses if any. Some states have proven their inability to manage themselves on this topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wambli Ska View Post
    I feel like Bigslug does too on this issue. Some things have to be dealt with across the board, such as constitutional or BOR violations. In New York today, you can become a felon traveling from Tarrytown into New York City with a CW if you have a NYS license. One county issues unrestricted CC Licenses and others refuse to issue anything but "target shooting and range" licenses if any. Some states have proven their inability to manage themselves on this topic.




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    Re: Legislator Starts Bill To Limit State Gun Control Laws

    When a State tries to infringe on individual rights, and the Feds oppose it, I'm with the Feds and to hell with States' righs. When the Feds try to infringe on individual rights, and the States oppose it, I'm with the States. It's always on a case-by-case basis.

    Gun control, abortion, illegal immigration, voting laws, right-to-work, marriage equality, transgender issues, educational curriculums, and recreational/medical marijuana are just some of the issues where the Feds and the States are often on opposite sides - taking turns infringing or expanding individual rights. Nine times out of ten, I'm on the side of Liberty, and whichever level of government agrees with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigslug View Post
    Futzing with the 2A is NOT a state's rights issue! This falls under all that "inalienable human rights" topic. The BOR is one of the things the states don't get to tinker with, short of successfully pulling off an Article V, 2/3rds majority in both houses of Congress. So no, other than their votes in the House and Senate regarding NATIONAL laws, the states shouldn't have a say in this.

    Do any of your OTHER Constitutional freedoms change drastically when you cross state lines?
    Lots of Professional Licenses don't transfer across state lines. Not really a right, but it's there. No money in it for the Feds, so they let that stand. 4th Amendment right comes to mind, too. Different from state to state in how they honor, or dishonor, that right. 6th and 7th Amendments also aren't exactly honored the same state to state as to speedy trial (6th). And the government itself violates the 7th when it's convenient. 8th prohibiting excessive bail is regularly violated by states to keep non violent offenders from being able to post bail; a lot of them don't have two pennies to rub together.

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    Re: Legislator Starts Bill To Limit State Gun Control Laws

    Quote Originally Posted by tennmike View Post
    And if the people of a state wish to be treated like chattel property by the state and let it happen without pitching a hissy conniption fit and bringing out the tar and feathers, then that's how the cookie crumbles.
    Not quite so simple when you have Cook County (Chicago) being essentially an entirely different planet politically from the rest of Illinois. Same situation in California with the L.A. and S.F. areas. Same situation when comparing N.Y.C. to the rest of the state.

    Patchwork laws across the nation are fine for the most part - if someone wants to marry a goat and manages to set up enough votes to have the union recognized by local law - whatever. Doesn't bother anyone but meddling A-holes and comes down to their personal pursuit of happiness. Curtailing the fundamental freedoms on which the nation was founded, however, ESPECIALLY one laid down with the words "shall not be infringed" needs a severe dialing back. As I read it, the FEDS should have zero say in the matter of gun control, EXCEPT to smack down the states that try to bring it into play.

    IOW, get us back to the common sense method of punishing ACTS, not ITEMS.
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    No argument with your post #11. If something is done then it should apply to BOTH states and the fed. They have both been equal opportunity offenders when it comes to the 2nd Amendment.
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    Yep, but there is some advantage to keeping the keys to the gun control filing cabinet in the hands of the Feds - at least you need a NATIONAL majority in both houses, and that ship does not appear to be leaving drydock again anytime soon.
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    People can always vote with their feet- - - -leave the female orfices who choose to subject themselves to draconian gun laws or other violations of their rights to their own devices and move to a place where freedom still exists. The folks who claim "I can't move!" just haven't had enough incentive to do so yet, or they don't value their rights and freedoms as much as they claim they do.
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    Easy to suggest that it is simply a matter of will, desire, motivation. For some, circumstances dictate.
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    Re: Legislator Starts Bill To Limit State Gun Control Laws

    The United States of America, as the name clearly states, was always intended to be a union of sovereign states that could stand up to powerful foreign states, militarily and economically...at least that was so until one particular faction decided that it meant something else, and that it was worth having a war over.

    The amendment process, had it been used as designed, would have resolved those issues, without war. The fact that that did not happen was a resolution, itself, because it indicated that there was not a majority that wanted to change the status quo. The disagreements had raged over several decades, without the balance shifting enough to make passage of an amendment possible. Clearer heads did not prevail, compromise was not found, and the winners of the Civil War used their victory to impose their wills upon the losers, by force. Since that time, constitutionalists have been painted as a radical minority and the schools our children attend don't dwell for long on the Constitution.

    Most federal laws have been created to circumvent the Constitutional requirements, and this new one is no different.

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