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    What the hell another collision with a US warship?

    Are they asleep at the helm?
    The USS John McCain hit a merchant vessel.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/20/asia/u...ore/index.html
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    Re: What the hell another collision with a USS warship?

    Saw that...another Captain headed for the shore.... haven't yet heard of any casualties...
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    Re: What the hell another collision with a USS warship?

    I can understand, he hasn't been navigated very well lately either!
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    Quote Originally Posted by timc View Post
    I can understand, he hasn't been navigated very well lately either!
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    Sweet Jesus.....
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    Re: What the hell another collision with a US warship?

    I was a snipe but I went to the bridge under rough seas and it amazed me the way the bow would disappear and the wave would wash the bridge. This was a gearing class 1945 destroyer. With today's technology and ship board operations I can not for the life of me see how these collisions occur. These ships can track and shoot down missiles yet they can not avoid a collision with a large slow moving object. Go figure.
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    4th mishap lately. Maybe they need to go back to a Crows Nest/lookouts and other old fashioned means to avoid collisions. Is something wrong with their computerized systems? Are the other ships/ours not giving right-of-way set by longtime established maritime rules?
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    Re: What the hell another collision with a US warship?

    To tell the truth, John McCain the Senator has strayed off course since he's been in office. The ship is no different I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Chief View Post
    4th mishap lately. Maybe they need to go back to a Crows Nest/lookouts and other old fashioned means to avoid collisions. Is something wrong with their computerized systems? Are the other ships/ours not giving right-of-way set by longtime established maritime rules?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farm Boy Deuce View Post
    They still do those watches.
    Then somebody on the Bridge ain't taking the right actions to avoid a collision. With that and all the other warning systems.
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    Re: What the hell another collision with a US warship?

    Still could be intentional by the merchant ship
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    Still could be intentional by the merchant ship
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    Thoughts and prayers out to the injured and missing, and also to their families. It does seem impossible that this seems to be happening with frightening frequency
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    Re: What the hell another collision with a US warship?

    I was watching the news last night and heard a partial report of this accident. Apparently, naval officers are no longer sent to ship operating school after graduating the Naval Academy, they are sent directly to an assigned ship for OJT. Sounds ridiculous to me. That's like sending a ten year old out to drive a school bus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buford View Post
    With today's technology and ship board operations I can not for the life of me see how these collisions occur.
    THIS

    We have bloody PASSENGER CARS that will brake for you, park for you, alert you to lane drift, give you a bird's eye view of your four corners at parking lot speeds, and tell you it's time to sleep or pop a No-Doz. In the case of commercial vessels, getting your cargo to port safely is your entire purpose for being there. In the case of a military ship, knowing what's around you is part of your entire purpose for being there. This goes double if you're running stealth technology and TRYING not to be seen by people that might run into you. Collision avoidance may be pretty sexy tech for a $50,000 sedan, but there's no reason it shouldn't be standard equipment on a buoyant billion dollars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Make_My_Day View Post
    I was watching the news last night and heard a partial report of this accident. Apparently, naval officers are no longer sent to ship operating school after graduating the Naval Academy, they are sent directly to an assigned ship for OJT. Sounds ridiculous to me. That's like sending a ten year old out to drive a school bus.
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    Re: What the hell another collision with a US warship?

    I knew where that was going before the punchline was revealed.

    When I was stationed in Bahrain there were fishing dhows all over. Little small wooden boats that often went 5 knots or less. Anything less then 5kts is considered dead in the water or DIW. I can't tell you how many times we plotted an anchored buoy as a surface contact.
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    Re: What the hell another collision with a US warship?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buford View Post
    Are they asleep at the helm?
    The USS John MCCaian hit a merchant vessel.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/20/asia/u...ore/index.html
    Man! I don't know about this crap! I've been around the water all my life. I used to spend many a night on the bays around here with nothing but a spot light to keep me from colliding with not only the bottom but other vessels. These guys have all the latest radar and night vision. Why are they running in to or allowing others to run into them? The Navy used to emphasize not running aground. That was the big deal, don't run aground. If a ships captain ran aground he would probably end up peeling potatoes in the galley instead of commanding the ship. I've never read much about ship hitting ship or whether it was taboo or not. But it certainly seems like it should be.
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    OK think about this. Who was president the last 8 years? Democrats always cut defense spending first. And the military usually suffers until a Republican comes along and gets things back up to par.

    Think WWII, we went into that conflict with old outdated design aircraft and for a few months got our asses handed to us. First Pearl Harbor, then the Philippines, then Wake Island and pretty much the whole Pacific Theater. Then there was the air war over Europe. We were forced to send bombers across much of Germany without fighter escort. We were losing 20 and 30 Percent of our bombers on long range missions. We had nothing that could make the trip as an escort fighter on longer bombing missions and we were hard pressed to field an aircraft to compete with the German and Japanese fighters. Our Navy was receiving great battleships and cruisers but we had yet to build a substantial fleet of carriers in numbers which we were beginning to see were the ships needed for sea warfare, not battleships. At one point in 1942 we were down to one carrier in the Pacific and we were in the middle of the Solomon's Campaign. For a while we had nothing that could compete with German fighter planes. Same in the Pacific, all we had at first were outdated Brewster Buffalos, a few P-40s and Wild Cats. What we did the first 6-8 months of the war with what we had was phenomenal. Korea was different only in that we were still fairly up to snuff because of WWII. However, we were still relying on prop planes in the Jet Age.

    Vietnam we were again behind the 8 ball somewhat. When a Democratic regime is in power before a war we always have issues. However, we all watched in wonderment the first Gulf War as we took apart Saddam's military every day right before us on T.V. because we were so well prepared. This was during the first Bush Administration. Big difference. I think Obummer left Trump not quite prepared. However, Trump is coming along nicely. He just needs to get our Navy trained better.

    Jus' sayin' here.
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    Re: What the hell another collision with a US warship?

    Quote Originally Posted by NN View Post
    Still could be intentional by the merchant ship
    Even if it was intentional, a destroyer should be able to easily outmaneuver a tanker unless someone had their head in rectum...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbp-ohio View Post
    Even if it was intentional, a destroyer should be able to easily outmaneuver a tanker unless someone had their head in rectum...
    A 600 foot long cargo ship HAS TO BE hard to miss. And likely don't turn like a ski boat...

    You'd THINK after the last one there would have been a memo....
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    Re: What the hell another collision with a US warship?

    So here is the "real" conversation between a carrier and a lighthouse in Spain...



    BTW, the NAVY's response to this story:
    http://www.navy.mil/navydata/nav_legacy.asp?id=174
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    Re: What the hell another collision with a US warship?

    What the Hell is going on with our NAVY ?...............

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpj View Post
    A 600 foot long cargo ship HAS TO BE hard to miss. And likely don't turn like a ski boat...

    You'd THINK after the last one there would have been a memo....
    But that destroyer can turn like a ski boat and run like one too! For their size those ships are amazing. You put enough horsepower in a hydro dynamic hull you can move lots of metal very fast.

    I just don't see a U.S. Navy ship in this day and time with all the Technology available to it today, running into anything it didn't intend to.
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    Buggy software?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorba View Post
    Buggy software?
    I'm thinking it's more of a reliance on the computers and automation has led to complacency.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbp-ohio View Post
    I'm thinking it's more of a reliance on the computers and automation has led to complacency.........
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    "... there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today."

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