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    Quote Originally Posted by alphasigmookie View Post
    Government overreach and excessive force is always ok when used against people you strongly disagree with!
    Let's be honest about this. Questioning authority and exercising the right to peaceably assemble and petition the government for a redress of grievances is protected and I'd be the first to scream 'FOUL' and take to task ANYONE that tried to suppress that exercise of a valid Constitutional right. That isn't what these people were, and have been, doing. They are not there for any reason except confrontation with anyone who holds a different view and mix it up with the police. Their mantra right now is "Punch a Nazi" and they bring all kinds of improvised weapons with them to do that. If one is a Conservative, then they are labeled a Nazi by these freaks. I don't, can't, and won't support that at any level. They engage in mob violence and beat the crap out of anyone they can single out from a crowd, and the older or weaker, the better.

    They can question authority and scream so hard that they cough a lung. I don't care; it's their right to do so. Confronting the cops to start some crap, and attacking people with different views is in no way an exercise in questioning authority. That's just rioting and criminal civil disobedience of the law. Mob mentality at its worst.
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    I can't think of a single good thing that ever came out of mob violence. I'm not even sure what the can kicker was for or against. The world is turning to crap, lately, and mob mentality is being fed by websites and media if not applauding mobs, at least giving them a vale of righteousness. Because Trump is hated by antifa and most of the media. They're in a minority, but a minority with a loud voice and even media who should know better are asking if 1st Amendment rights are conditional politically. A spoiled bunch of losers who soak up victimhood like a wino soaks up a bottle of white port because it gives each of them something they need to survive.

    It cannot continue to go as it is and us survive as a nation. Putting unreasonable restraints of Amendment 1 and putting unreasonable restraints on cops will lead to resentment and chaos.
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    Re: Pepper ball, meet antifa groin.

    Incidentally, the AntiFa agitator in question has both been identified and arrested for unlawful assembly, (after being ordered to disperse), ad three counts of assault on peace officers, I assume for kicking the gas can deliberately at the LE line. He apparently was bragging about it on social media and was located/ID/snatched up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gene L View Post
    Trump is hated by antifa and most of the media. They're in a minority.
    Nope..
    He is hated by the majority...
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...oval-6179.html
    That tends to give things a new dimension.

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    Re: Pepper ball, meet antifa groin.

    Quote Originally Posted by Armoredman View Post
    Incidentally, the AntiFa agitator in question has both been identified and arrested for unlawful assembly, (after being ordered to disprese), ad three counts of assault on peace officers, I assume for kicking the gas can deliberately at the LE line. He apparently was bragging about it on social media and was located/ID/snatched up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jermanator View Post
    Nope..
    He is hated by the majority...
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...oval-6179.html
    That tends to give things a new dimension.
    Those same polls said he'd never be President....bottom line...polls can say anything the pollsters want them to say..,Thought you would have picked up on that in the last election.....
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    Re: Pepper ball, meet antifa groin.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jermanator View Post
    Nope..
    He is hated by the majority...
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...oval-6179.html
    That tends to give things a new dimension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Armoredman View Post
    Incidentally, the AntiFa agitator in question has both been identified and arrested for unlawful assembly, (after being ordered to disprese), ad three counts of assault on peace officers, I assume for kicking the gas can deliberately at the LE line. He apparently was bragging about it on social media and was located/ID/snatched up.
    Sometimes karma lets you watch...
    Here is my question? How can it be lawful use of force when the police gas the crowd, but assault when the crowd kicks the gas can back towards the police? I'm also wondering what made the assembly "unlawful" in the first place? That demanded that the police gas and disperse the crowd?

    I have a minor amount of experience with all this from college. I went to Ohio State and we had a history of large parties. Magically these large, almost always peaceful parties had a virtually 100% chance of turning into "riots" whenever the police came in riot gear to break them up. Usually with tear gas an knee knockers. The presence of police to "keep the peace" almost always escalated things from a bunch of college kids standing around a yard drinking crap beer and trying unsuccessfully to hit on girls to a bunch of drunk kids screaming, throwing bottles, and burning couches and dumpsters.

    I don't know the answer from a police tactics point of view. From my experience most of these parties would have caused less harm without the cops intervention, but some of them may have caused more. I recognize the tough situation they're in, but I also know there's a fine line between keeping the peace and inciting a riot. In some cases it can be the police actions that light the match.
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    I hope they have a good supply of matches, then! The violent, rioting scum need to "feel the burn" as often and as thoroughly as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawker View Post
    Those same polls said he'd never be President....bottom line...polls can say anything the pollsters want them to say..,Thought you would have picked up on that in the last election.....
    Actually the polls weren't wrong in terms of actual votes. The popular vote was well within the polling margin. He lost by 3 million votes. He was just more strategic in his campaigning and won enough votes in the right states. Winning WI and PA by a few thousand votes is way more valuable than winning CA by 10 million or whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphasigmookie View Post
    Actually the polls weren't wrong in terms of actual votes. The popular vote was well within the polling margin. He lost by 3 million votes. He was just more strategic in his campaigning and won enough votes in the right states. Winning WI and PA by a few thousand votes is way more valuable than winning CA by 10 million or whatever.
    They polled the individual states to determine who was going to win overall, and enough of the key ones were wrong. So, "The polls were wrong." is an accurate statement. He lost the popular by essentially the state of CA.

    The police, by the way are authorized to use "necessary force" untoward a non-compliant citizenry. If their command is to disperse, and you do not comply, then they can use pain of force to make you do so. No imminent threat is required for the police to proceed with plan B.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphasigmookie View Post
    Here is my question? How can it be lawful use of force when the police gas the crowd, but assault when the crowd kicks the gas can back towards the police? I'm also wondering what made the assembly "unlawful" in the first place? That demanded that the police gas and disperse the crowd?

    I have a minor amount of experience with all this from college. I went to Ohio State and we had a history of large parties. Magically these large, almost always peaceful parties had a virtually 100% chance of turning into "riots" whenever the police came in riot gear to break them up. Usually with tear gas an knee knockers. The presence of police to "keep the peace" almost always escalated things from a bunch of college kids standing around a yard drinking crap beer and trying unsuccessfully to hit on girls to a bunch of drunk kids screaming, throwing bottles, and burning couches and dumpsters.

    I don't know the answer from a police tactics point of view. From my experience most of these parties would have caused less harm without the cops intervention, but some of them may have caused more. I recognize the tough situation they're in, but I also know there's a fine line between keeping the peace and inciting a riot. In some cases it can be the police actions that light the match.
    A party is a lot different from a riot. You don't wear a gas mask to a party.

    The order by LEOs was to disperse, and it was a lawful order. Failure to disperse can allow the cops to use force to cause dispersion. But let's don't fool ourselves, they were out there to riot, not to party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gene L View Post
    A party is a lot different from a riot. You don't wear a gas mask to a party.

    The order by LEOs was to disperse, and it was a lawful order. Failure to disperse can allow the cops to use force to cause dispersion. But let's don't fool ourselves, they were out there to riot, not to party.
    Also, we saw the results of the police standing down in Ferguson and in Berkeley. It resulted in businesses being destroyed and widespread looting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jermanator View Post
    Nope..
    He is hated by the majority...
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...oval-6179.html
    That tends to give things a new dimension.

    Everyone's approval ratings fluctuate throughout their term. GW Bush went from a high of 90% to a low of 25% and approval ratings also fluctuate substantially from state to state. Surprisingly enough, Trump's approval ratings are in the 50 to 60 percent range in conservative states and in the 20 to 30 percent range in liberal states. As someone pointed out, disapproval is not hate, hate is what you seem to display for this administration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisheadgib View Post
    As someone pointed out, disapproval is not hate, hate is what you seem to display for this administration.
    It doesn't seem that way at all-- I do. I will be crystal clear and tell you that I can't stand Trump. No beating around the bush there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisheadgib View Post
    Everyone's approval ratings fluctuate throughout their term. GW Bush went from a high of 90% to a low of 25% and approval ratings also fluctuate substantially from state to state. Surprisingly enough, Trump's approval ratings are in the 50 to 60 percent range in conservative states and in the 20 to 30 percent range in liberal states. As someone pointed out, disapproval is not hate, hate is what you seem to display for this administration.
    Trump was in Arizona yesterday and it was HOT. But THOUSANDS of people filled the streets to get in to listen to his speech. Doesn't seem to matter a lot where he speaks, there is nowhere near enough room in an inside venue to hold the people. There are some states/cities where that doesn't happen, but they are the usual suspects if ANY Republican President shows up.
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    Re: Pepper ball, meet antifa groin.

    I sometimes like to hit the rewind button: A successful real-estate mogul turned reality star runs for president (and the entire staff at Comedy Central and Saturday Night Live rejoices). Then he wins. Without so much as a torch lit rally, an antisemitic book, or a previously attempted coup he is now the personification of Hitler in the eyes of 30-40% of the country.

    The nagging question I have is where was antifa when "Hitler" was selling condo units and commercial time? Forgetting for a moment that someone allowed "Hitler" on TV, why did the show run so long and rate so high? Where were the riots outside the NBC studios while the show aired for 12+ years right up until elected fuhrer? Why is NBC not a smoldering ruin today for giving "Hitler" a platform?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphasigmookie View Post
    Here is my question? How can it be lawful use of force when the police gas the crowd, but assault when the crowd kicks the gas can back towards the police? I'm also wondering what made the assembly "unlawful" in the first place? That demanded that the police gas and disperse the crowd?
    And here is the answer

    I have a minor amount of experience with all this from college. I went to Ohio State and we had a history of large parties. Magically these large, almost always peaceful parties had a virtually 100% chance of turning into "riots" whenever the police came in riot gear to break them up. Usually with tear gas an knee knockers. The presence of police to "keep the peace" almost always had the college age spoiled children escalate things from a bunch of college kids standing around a yard drinking crap beer and trying unsuccessfully to hit on girls to a bunch of drunk kids screaming, throwing bottles, and burning couches and dumpsters because they wanted to be buttholes.
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    I don't know the answer from a police tactics point of view. From my experience most of these parties would have caused less harm without the cops intervention, but some of them may have caused more.
    In both cases, they were causing harm, and the question of the police presence was what again?
    I recognize the tough situation they're in, but I also know there's a fine line between keeping the peace and inciting a riot. In some cases it can be the police actions that light the match.
    Cops showing up and giving LAWFUL orders, in the party case, it could be noise or a disturbance. Doesnt matter if you want to think it wasnt, if a citizen calls the cops, and the cops assess the situation as a disturbance, then you get to stop, or be stopped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Varmintmist View Post
    And here is the answer

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    In both cases, they were causing harm, and the question of the police presence was what again? Cops showing up and giving LAWFUL orders, in the party case, it could be noise or a disturbance. Doesnt matter if you want to think it wasnt, if a citizen calls the cops, and the cops assess the situation as a disturbance, then you get to stop, or be stopped.
    And another thing the cops COULD have done at that college beer party, but probably didn't, is to round everybody up and check IDs for underage drinking. Good way to start a 'rap sheet' getting busted for that, and having to call Mom and Dad to post your bail. And if it was at a frat house, getting charges placed against them for supplying alcohol to underage drinkers. All y'all got off really light just getting the party busted up.
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    And the crying whiners are trying to get a review done by Phoenix PD, claiming excessive force and other un lawful actions by police. The reactions of most regular residents is of solid support for the police department.

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    And the crying whiners are trying to get a review done by Phoenix PD, claiming excessive force and other un lawful actions by police. The reactions of most regular residents is of solid support for the police department.
    I'd kind of expect the regular citizens of AZ to support the police department regarding breaking up that protest turned riot. Lots of conservatives in AZ. Regarding the use of force, I really don't have a problem with the PD breaking up what was turning into a riot before it got out of hand.

    For those that don't know much about ANTIFA and it's roots you have to look to Germany. It was/is the old Communist party of Germany prior to WWII. They have had a resurgence over there, and the basement dwelling Bernie Burnouts have taken up the cause here. The flags (there are TWO distinct flags) of the German group and the American groups are the same. The aims of both groups are the same, which is a communist takeover of the government. Both use violence and intimidation to press their point. The rhetoric and violent actions of both border on anarchism. Both are totally intolerant of differing views to the point of rioting to shut down the opposition by whatever means possible, including violence with deadly weapons.

    I've already said they have a right to lawfully assemble which would include following local laws for permits, etc. The permit gives the PD a heads up for crowd and traffic control to make sure it is conducted orderly and doesn't screw up the whole town. You have to have a permit for parades and such for the same reason. They can get the permit, march and scream and shout until they cough up both lungs. I don't care. When they turn violent, and ANTIFA will turn violent at some point, then I have no problem with the police dispersing them by whatever means are necessary before it becomes a full blown riot.

    And if you've been paying attention, you will have noted that ANTIFA USA ALWAYS has their rallies/riots in VERY liberal towns and cities where they know that they will not be hindered by the PD when their assembly will degenerate into a riot. Any group that shows up for a peaceful assembly with gas masks is immediately suspect as to that 'peaceable assembly' aspect.
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    It's only a matter of time until a bunch of them will be peacefully assembling at the graveyard. The sooner it happens, the better, as it might dampen the enthusiasm of the survivors for anarchy as they bury their buddies. The only better solution would be to let the buzzards, rats, and possums clean up the mess, and not pollute the graveyard with the scum.
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    Peaceable assembly does not mean blocking the streets, which happened here, unless someone painted centerlines on the sidewalks. People who do so are scum. Cops ordered them to disperse, or at least to leave the street. When they did not, LEOs dispensed gas in order to clear the street. One got nut-struck. And later arrested. Watching that guy fall to the ground never gets old.
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    Re: Pepper ball, meet antifa groin.

    Found a picture of the ANTIFA flag. It's the pic on top with AF in the white field.


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