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    Hurricane Irma gun+ confiscation, US Virgin Islands

    Not only guns. Allows them to seize private property they believe necessary to protect the islands.

    I have no knowledge of USVI law, but I assume there is gun registration.



    U.S. Virgin Islands Gov. Kenneth Mapp signed an emergency order allowing the seizure of private guns, ammunition, explosives and property the National Guard may need to respond to Hurricane Irma.

    Mapp signed the order Monday in preparation for Hurricane Irma. The order allows the Adjutant General of the Virgin Islands to seize private property they believe necessary to protect the islands, subject to approval by the territory’s Justice Department.


    http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/05/vi...urricane-irma/
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    Re: Hurricane Irma gun+ confiscation, US Virgin Islands

    The USVI has strict gun laws. There you must have a license (and there are a few different types) which is not a Shall Issue thing either to own and buy firearms. They also have to register said firearms with police. The USVI has about 100,000 citizens so how many actually own firearms (legally)? Now however with Irma and her 180mph peak winds knocking on their door how many police would actually waste time going after registered firearms versus lashing down everything and preparing for Irma? Yeah, I remember what they pulled in NOLA but I'm guessing manpower in the USVI is stretched and the "allowing seizure" thing is not right but if someone there has a firearm just keep it out of sight of police and NG and don't act stupid.
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    Re: Hurricane Irma gun+ confiscation, US Virgin Islands

    " I lost all my gus's in the last hurricane"
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    Re: Hurricane Irma gun+ confiscation, US Virgin Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by CHIRO1989 View Post
    " I lost all my gus's in the last hurricane"
    Guns? What guns? Why I wouldn't have one on my property, Them things are dangerous didn't you know???
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    Re: Hurricane Irma gun+ confiscation, US Virgin Islands

    I don't think the confiscated guns and explosives will help in hurricane defense.
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    Re: Hurricane Irma gun+ confiscation, US Virgin Islands

    Well....during Harvey, the Corps of Engineers flooded property to contain the overall damage to the greater population.

    Personally, I'd rather have my property seized by the govt for a short while while they perform the tasks we've allotted them than lose everything over a perceived trampling of my individual rights.

    I've been through floods. Lost the coolest house I ever owned due to the fact that if the Corps opened the gates, I'd be 8 feet underwater, along with a dozen of my neighbors. I lost it, but a couple thousand didn't because of the Corps actions.

    I can't take an "individual" stance in a circumstance like this.

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    Re: Hurricane Irma gun+ confiscation, US Virgin Islands

    Paradise ... lost?

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    Re: Hurricane Irma gun+ confiscation, US Virgin Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by horselips View Post
    Paradise ... lost?
    Pretty much..

    But it was Louisiana and if you live there you expect things like that. And, btw.. Flood insurance doesn't cover much of what does flood. The receding water causes much more damage than rising water. Houston hasn't seen the worst of it yet.

    Lost my home to the falling waters, not the rising ones.

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    Re: Hurricane Irma gun+ confiscation, US Virgin Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Linefinder View Post
    Well....during Harvey, the Corps of Engineers flooded property to contain the overall damage to the greater population.

    Personally, I'd rather have my property seized by the govt for a short while while they perform the tasks we've allotted them than lose everything over a perceived trampling of my individual rights.

    I've been through floods. Lost the coolest house I ever owned due to the fact that if the Corps opened the gates, I'd be 8 feet underwater, along with a dozen of my neighbors. I lost it, but a couple thousand didn't because of the Corps actions.

    I can't take an "individual" stance in a circumstance like this.

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    Apples and oranges.

    Flooding a dozen homes to save thousands is not comparable to disarming the population when it's at its most vulnerable.
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    Re: Hurricane Irma gun+ confiscation, US Virgin Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by CaliFFL View Post
    Apples and oranges.

    Flooding a dozen homes to save thousands is not comparable to disarming the population when it's at its most vulnerable.
    THIS!!! I don't see where surrendering one's means of self defense is for the good of the country. Where have we heard that before?
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    Re: Hurricane Irma gun+ confiscation, US Virgin Islands

    If this is something where law enforcement may need to do their jobs better in an emergency, so be it (like the time police were "loaned" AR's from a LGS during the North Hollywood shootout). If this is something where they go door to door and confiscate weapons for everyone's "safety" it is a crock of crap and criminal in my opinion.

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    Re: Hurricane Irma gun+ confiscation, US Virgin Islands

    Digging around on the internet, I learned that the US supplies their National Guard with our surplus stuff and considering that every privately owned gun has to be registered, the odds of any civilian having anything more effective than the National Guard is pretty slim. This registration made it easy to locate the guns for confiscation. I also read that the NRA started legal action against the governor and the order was rescinded. I can't link the articles with my tablet but it was easy to find.
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    Re: Hurricane Irma gun+ confiscation, US Virgin Islands

    Knowing what you found out.... yea... piss on them. It is US territory. The residents are US citizens.

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    Re: Hurricane Irma gun+ confiscation, US Virgin Islands

    After the tornado pretty much destroyed Greensburg, Kansas some time back, there were all manner of reports of "gun confiscation" going on....in reality they were picking up the profusion of firearms found laying all over the place, including a number of gun safes found far afield from the homes in which they were originally located.

    As far as firearms confiscation during disasters in the U.S. proper is concerned....it is prohibited under Federal Law by Title VII of the Stafford Act which was enacted after the circus that ensued during Katrina...Many States also passed their version of the act making firearm confiscation during disasters in those states illegal as well...

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    Re: Hurricane Irma gun+ confiscation, US Virgin Islands

    Fox news just challenged the governor on one of their segments and he did the typical political thing- - - - -lie like a Persian rug! The NRA was all over him like stink on a skunk, and he caved! Good for them!
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    Re: Hurricane Irma gun+ confiscation, US Virgin Islands

    Most Island Countries have very repressive gun laws anyway. I see nothing good coming out of this.

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    Re: Hurricane Irma gun+ confiscation, US Virgin Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Teach View Post
    Fox news just challenged the governor on one of their segments and he did the typical political thing- - - - -lie like a Persian rug! The NRA was all over him like stink on a skunk, and he caved! Good for them!
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    Saw that segment. The first thing I noticed is that he looked a lot like Idi Amin minus the over the top military dictator uniform. From what I saw and heard, I wouldn't trust him to guard the contents under an outhouse.
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    Re: Hurricane Irma gun+ confiscation, US Virgin Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by tennmike View Post
    I wouldn't trust him to guard the contents under an outhouse.
    Not even if he had a muzzle on!
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    Re: Hurricane Irma gun+ confiscation, US Virgin Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Linefinder View Post

    Personally, I'd rather have my property seized by the govt for a short while while they perform the tasks we've allotted them than lose everything over a perceived trampling of my individual rights.

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    Re: Hurricane Irma gun+ confiscation, US Virgin Islands

    The vast majority of the guns seized during Katrina were never returned, or they were deliberately stored under conditions that made them rusty and useless when the owners finally managed to recover their property after a long and expensive legal battle. So much for "seized for a short time"!
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    Re: Hurricane Irma gun+ confiscation, US Virgin Islands

    And what does Florida and Gov Scott do? The exact opposite!!!

    Floridians fleeing Hurricane Irma have been granted an additional means of protection. A 2015 Florida law known commonly as the “hurricane gun law” allows those taking part in a mandatory evacuation to carry a concealed firearm for 48 hours without a valid permit.

    When Florida Governor Rick Scott signed the law in 2015, Unified Sportsmen of Florida’s Marion Hammer commented, “This bill is a no-brainer, particularly in Florida with our hurricane exposure. When you’re ordered to evacuate — to take your kids, your dog and valuables and flee — the last thing you should leave behind is your gun.”

    Gov. Scott can also extend the timeline to allow evacuees to carry concealed for a greater amount of time.
    All you guys down there have a good group in Tallahassee for the most part!
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    Re: Hurricane Irma gun+ confiscation, US Virgin Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by NCFUBAR View Post
    And what does Florida and Gov Scott do? The exact opposite!!!



    All you guys down there have a good group in Tallahassee for the most part!
    I've lived here for quit a while and I think Scott is one of the best governors that we've ever had.
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    Re: Hurricane Irma gun+ confiscation, US Virgin Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by NCFUBAR View Post
    All you guys down there have a good group in Tallahassee for the most part!

    Florida legislators know their constituents are capable of shooting good groups- - - -ditto for Tennessee politicians. It makes them very accommodating when it comes to passing good laws!
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    Re: Hurricane Irma gun+ confiscation, US Virgin Islands

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisheadgib View Post
    I've lived here for quit a while and I think Scott is one of the best governors that we've ever had.
    AGREED!!

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