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    Re: Carry vs. Qualification

    I love when other people tell me what I should train on. Having never seen me shoot.

    The way I figure, I train on what I suck at.
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    Re: Carry vs. Qualification

    I practice what I’m good at.
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    Re: Carry vs. Qualification

    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post
    I practice what I’m good at.
    Then again, unless one tries new things, one never discovers the lengths to which they suck, or that which they are good at.
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    Re: Carry vs. Qualification

    I think you misunderstood my point.
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    Re: Carry vs. Qualification

    To me, training involves getting better at what I’m not as good at, pushing my limits, and trying new things.

    Practice, to me, involves the repetitive stuff that I’m good at but must do over and over and over to maintain an acceptable level of proficiency.

    Maybe that makes it more clear as to my meaning in the previous two posts.
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    Re: Carry vs. Qualification

    Not at all. I wan't criticizing your point. I was expounding on it.

    Also, I believe Edmundo Mirales, FBI Special Agent, Retired, would disagree with Gene about the necessity to learn one's limits using one hand. One needs to study the Miami Shootout and they will discover that wounds to one arm of the other actually happen. Mirales ended the fight with one arm and 6 shots. And one of the bad guys managed to kill people with his left arm when his right arm was damaged.

    Of course, until one is involved in a shootout, it's all theoretical. What I learned at the qualification, was that #1, I'm still very fast and accurate, even with one hand (due to practice), and that firing weak hand, I accidentally dropped the magazine during a firing sequence cos my trigger finger knuckle hit the button. My mag change was swift and I was back in action - because of practice.

    I wasn't criticizing you. If anything, I've found very little, if anything at all to disagree with involving any of your posts over the years. You are a professional.
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    Re: Carry vs. Qualification

    Well Sir, I am an imperfect man in an imperfect world. But, I appreciate the kind words. I must admit that I have felt the same way in your regards. Though regretfully, I have never expressed as such. An error I must apologize for.

    Carry on.
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    Re: Carry vs. Qualification

    Quote Originally Posted by NN View Post
    Back in the day, at the basic school, we had to shoot a course of varying distances starting at 50 yds and moving closer with each couple of shots.

    We were using the pistol of the time, a 1911 .45 acp. Many missed at the longer range and it was upsetting because they were selected for infantry and
    did not like an airdale selectee out shooting them.
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    Re: Carry vs. Qualification

    Our qualification uses almost half the rounds between 3 and 7 yards, then some at 15, with a whole 6 rounds at 25. The firearms instructors always shoot the 25 yards first, so staff get it out of the way, "OK, I screwed up, won't be qualifying Expert this year!" and other ridiculous stuff. We do about 10 rounds weak hand at 3, and the same strong hand only at 3 - point shooters really shine between the 3 and the 7, but even tyros manage to keep them in the scoring ring on the B-27. This is the older Arizona POST standard we still use, and it includes stress reloads, tactical reloads and jam clearing. I can hit the same scoring ring with my off duty pistols at 50 yards, but most staff never shoot past that one annual qualification, 56 rounds on the square range, and an additional 10-15 on the discretionary range. I had some staff who were such bad shots I wore armor to the firing line. Seriously.
    The biggest difference is that I am required to qualify with the Glock 19, and I don't like them and don't own one. Currently off duty carry is the similar but better for me CZ P-10C.

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