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    How things change - Reloading

    I started reloading back in 2012.

    My Mentor taught me how and I went forth to concur the world.

    The first cartridge I ever tried to handload on my own was the .243 Winchester. I used 105gr Hornady A-Max bullets, necked down .308 Win cases, and H4350 (thanks Linefinder).



    I thought I was hot stuff with the results I'd gotten and I loaded several hundred rounds of that ammunition I thought was the cat's meow. Even ended up killing a slew of hogs and deer with that load. My boy killed his first deer and 4 others last year with that first handload I ever created.



    It's 2017 now and I have 4 rounds left from that several hundred load lot I created way back in 2012.

    It was time to make more. I realized that I had improved as both a shooter and a handloader since that time. Technology had improved as well. So, using technology, I remeasured my chamber length as opposed to my simple way of doing it back then and realized that I was seating .050" deeper than I needed to seat the bullets.

    So, I seated them at 2.265" this time as opposed to the 2.217" I used back in 2012. I also knew more about seating longer reducing pressure and allowing for more powder, so................I added more powder.

    Hodgdon lists a Max load with the 105gr bullet and H4350 as being 37.5 grains of powder.

    Hornady lists a Max load of H4350 and 105gr bullet as being 41.0 grains of powder.

    My original load used 39.8 grains of H4350 and it was time to push that envelope.


    Seating longer as I now knew I could, I pushed all the way up to 42.0 grains of H4350 and reached Nirvana. Over the last two days, I started just below my original load and worked up. Not accepting my previous results. I wanted faster velocity and better accuracy.

    Technology has improved, my tools have improved, my reloading has improved, and my shooting............has improved.

    This time around, I used a RCBS Gold Metal Match Series Bushing Seater Die,



    And my Sinclair Heavy Varmint Rest as opposed to a bipod.



    The results were amazing. From mediocre to oh wow. I kept pushing past the book until I reached the level of velocity and accuracy I wanted with the ability I had.



    I've come a long way in th past 5 years. Many of you had sometyhing to do with that in regards to reloading and shooting. For that..............I am forever grateful.

    Thank you for your patience and generosity. I finally have a .243 Winchester load I'm proud of.

    .149" @ 100 yrds and 3,134 fps from a 29" barrel...............I am a happy camper.

    And you had a part.

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    Re: How things change - Reloading

    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post
    My original load used 398.8 grains of H4350 and it was time to push that envelope.
    Holy Crap! I would surmise that you pushed the envelope....and then some....must have necked down a sewer pipe for a case....

    Seriously though....good job....time and experience tends to make for a better reloader....
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    Excellent. THAT'S what a .243 heavy should do! You, and we, have come a long way, in reloading.
    IIRC, 25-06 was also among the first few cartridges you started with. Any news on that front?
    How about that die, do you think it makes a difference?
    I've always admired them, never bought, though.
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    Re: How things change - Reloading

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawker View Post
    Holy Crap! I would surmise that you pushed the envelope....and then some....must have necked down a sewer pipe for a case....

    Seriously though....good job....time and experience tends to make for a better reloader....
    Late and fat fingers.

    The load has been corrected to 39.8gr H4350.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbohio View Post
    Excellent. THAT'S what a .243 heavy should do! You, and we, have come a long way, in reloading.
    IIRC, 25-06 was also among the first few cartridges you started with. Any news on that front?
    How about that die, do you think it makes a difference?
    I've always admired them, never bought, though.
    I don't shoot the .25-06 enough to have used all my original loads.

    Over the 2 days of load development and testing............that RCBS die never varied more than .001" in seating depth on all my test loads. I'm happy.
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    Re: How things change - Reloading

    Is that 42 grains a compressed load?
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    Damn sir. That is IMPRESSIVE.
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    I vaguely seem to remember some resistance to you ever reloading
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    You and Grand Island have done well by each other.
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    Looks like you are a real "Progressive" in reloading for better accuracy, that is. Good work, the fruits of your labor paid off big time or should I say small (groups) time
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    Re: How things change - Reloading

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawker View Post
    Is that 42 grains a compressed load?
    No. Still plenty of room.
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    Re: How things change - Reloading

    I was just farting around with a Hornady Concentricity gauge/tool

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7PAeygRZAA

    It checks for bullet run-out and corrects it, usually unless the case or bullet is beyond corrections.

    I corrected/checked some 6.5X55 Swedish and fer sheets and grins some of my 7.62X54R reloads too. The cartridges fer the Russian Mules using Hornady .303/7.7 Jap bullets @ .3105 dia (for Mosin Nagants not Swedish reworks that have a dia closer to .308) bullets, believe it or not were were about as good as it gets. Hornady says best results are obtained with concentricity/run-out no more that .002-.003.

    Where it really would come in handy and for more observable results is for rifles other than MILSURPS like my bolt guns in .223/.308.



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    Some Hornady 95 grain V-maxes I loaded for the 6.5X55 were almost all well within the .002-.003 and some less than .001 .
    Good bullets help from the get-go too.
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    Re: How things change - Reloading

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Zee
    My original load used 398.8 grains of H4350 and it was time to push that envelope.
    Holy Crap! I would surmise that you pushed the envelope....and then some....must have necked down a sewer pipe for a case....

    Seriously though....good job....time and experience tends to make for a better reloader....
    Hey, he's entitled to an occasional typo, just look at those groups!!!!

    The grammar on the other hand. Hmm??????

    Quote Originally Posted by Zee
    My Mentor taught me how and I went forth to concur the world.


    Although, your shooting does seem to be in harmony with the world.

    I'm just jealous. I don't even have a backyard to do that kind of testing. I have to go to a, dare I say, public range.


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    Outstanding results!!! I truly admire your relentless passion for accuracy.
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    Zee! Zee! and the .243!!!

    Nice shootin' again Tex. Love those .243's With a 200 yard zero that's a laser beam flat out to 250 and still delivers at 250 yards more energy than a point blank 7.62x39.... and at 350 yards the drop is still just about 10 inches... nice!

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    Using special dies now, eh?
    Am I going to see Wilson inline seat dies in the future???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernie Bishop View Post
    Using special dies now, eh?
    Am I going to see Wilson inline seat dies in the future???
    No.
    This one was a gift. I would not have bought it.
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    Re: How things change - Reloading

    Step 1: Find a guy with OCD tendencies.

    Step 2: Give him a hobby with a lot of variables to manipulate.

    Step 3: Wind him up.

    Step 4: Let him go.

    Step 5: Stay out of his way.

    Step 6: Don't bother to record results - he'll have already done it.

    Well done Grasshopper! It's time to burn the dragon and tiger onto your forearms & let you leave the monastery.
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    Re: How things change - Reloading

    Why, yes they do to varying degrees, individual interest (often changing) and finances.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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