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    Don't discount the M1 .30 Carbine

    Especially with the right ammo. Makes a handy dandy house/truck carbine/kickin around outdoors shooter.

    Soft Points and loads like Hornady Critical Defense and others give it new potential/possibilities over traditional ball ammo. Much easier on the eyes than ARs too, for me anyhow.

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    Re: Don't discount the M1 .30 Carbine

    My dad was an Army infantry 1st Sgt. in Korea, and was fond of the carbine, although he carried the select fire model (M2 carbine). He did most of his fighting on the radio, with artillery, and it was much handier and good enough for self protection. On the rare occasions when he led patrols, he would swap it for a M-1 or even a B.A.R., if he was really concerned about enemy contact. Also, he had spent some time training '90 Day Wonders' to shoot the 1911 pistol, and came to the conclusion that most of them were just better off carrying a carbine and leaving the pistol in its holster.

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    Re: Don't discount the M1 .30 Carbine

    Not likely to find one discounted these days.
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    Re: Don't discount the M1 .30 Carbine

    Quote Originally Posted by early View Post
    Not likely to find one discounted these days.
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    Re: Don't discount the M1 .30 Carbine

    I miss owning the M1 carbine. To me, it has all the right features of the best plinking rifle ever. Low recoil, decently accurate. Reliable ( as long as you don't use the 30 round mags, never had any luck with them).

    My biggest complaint was the caliber and it's not easy to find.

    A M1 Carbine in 45acp or 9mm would be awesome. it needs to be an GOOD version though. I have heard meh things about the chiappa m1-9 that takes Beretta mags. No bolt hold open ( non starter for me) and the closer you look, the worse it is.
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    Re: Don't discount the M1 .30 Carbine

    Quote Originally Posted by bisley View Post
    My dad was an Army infantry 1st Sgt. in Korea, and was fond of the carbine, although he carried the select fire model (M2 carbine). He did most of his fighting on the radio, with artillery, and it was much handier and good enough for self protection. On the rare occasions when he led patrols, he would swap it for a M-1 or even a B.A.R., if he was really concerned about enemy contact. Also, he had spent some time training '90 Day Wonders' to shoot the 1911 pistol, and came to the conclusion that most of them were just better off carrying a carbine and leaving the pistol in its holster.
    My father served in the last year of WWII in the Philippines. He had grown up around firearms, and loved the M1 Garand he used during basic training. He scored high enough to earn the top classification the army gave for marksmanship.

    In the Philippines, though, he was issued an M1 carbine, and couldn't hit anything with it. He told me about setting a milk jug or something similar sized in a tree, and not being able to hit it from about 80 yards. He was not impressed. Maybe he got one that was shot out, or quality control at that point of the war had diminished. Whatever it was, he was not a fan of the carbine.
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    Re: Don't discount the M1 .30 Carbine

    When I read about the Chosin, I don't recall complaints about the carbine, but the book referenced several instances where our soldiers would grab those Russian or Chinese carbines. PP50's I think? Select fire 9mm sub guns. I assume they wanted all the fire power they could get, being so severely out numbered.
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    Re: Don't discount the M1 .30 Carbine

    Quote Originally Posted by early View Post
    When I read about the Chosin, I don't recall complaints about the carbine, but the book referenced several instances where our soldiers would grab those Russian or Chinese carbines. PP50's I think? Select fire 9mm sub guns. I assume they wanted all the fire power they could get, being so severely out numbered.
    7.62 x 25. Which is a powerful round, more powerful than a .30 carbine.
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    Re: Don't discount the M1 .30 Carbine

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    7.62 x 25. Which is a powerful round, more powerful than a .30 carbine.
    ???? No I don't think so. The .30 carbine out does it even when the Tok is fired from a longer bbl. It is pretty awesome (7.62X25) even from a handgun, though.

    Ballistic performance .30 Carbine
    Bullet mass/type Velocity Energy
    110 gr (7 g) FMJ 606.5 m/s (1,990 ft/s) 1,311 J (967 ft·lbf)

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    Ballistic performance
    Bullet mass/type Velocity Energy
    5.5 g (85 gr) JHP[2] 376 m/s (1,230 ft/s) 390 J (290 ft·lbf)
    5.8 g (90 gr) FMJ[2] 409 m/s (1,340 ft/s) 488 J (360 ft·lbf)
    5.5 g (85 gr) FMJ[3] 469 m/s (1,540 ft/s) 605 J (446 ft·lbf)
    5.5 g (85 gr) FMJ[4] 497 m/s (1,630 ft/s) 697 J (514 ft·lbf)
    5.5 g (85 gr) JHP[4] 482 m/s (1,580 ft/s) 655 J (483 ft·lbf)



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    Re: Don't discount the M1 .30 Carbine

    Many folks discount the little M1 as unreliable and underpowered. Issue number one is taken care of with quality magazines. Guys buy gun show bulk cheap 30 round Asian made mags and expect them to work well. QC is just not there so you’ll probably find a small percentage that will work as designed. I’ve found 15 round mags in general are very realiable and you can still find real surplus GI if you shop around a bit.

    The underpowered issue is the one that’s a head scratcher for me. 15 rounds with power at about .357 mag level delivered as fast as you pull the trigger and easier to aim than a handgun should not be dismissed as an HD weapon and as a short range deer gun they work just great! I knew old timers in the NE that used them as stalking brush guns to great effect.

    Pricing for military examples has jumped in the last few years but even those are still comparable to a quality American made 1911s and you can still bump into good deals on commercial versions rather frequently.

    The only real issue with the M1 is a fairly short list and availability in your average LGS of commercial load options for hunting, SD and HD. I think Remington sells a 110gr SP that is pretty popular and should do just fine for HD and hunting but I haven’t looked in a while.
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    Re: Don't discount the M1 .30 Carbine

    Hornady makes a 110gr Critical Defense round with a nice profiled FTX For reliable feeding in the little carbine. Funny thing is my guy sells them CHEAPER than .45acp by about 10˘ a round (box of 25 is $17.50). I’ve only tested function and accuracy which where excellent but never on anything else but a couple of those placed right I do believe would do the job.
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    Re: Don't discount the M1 .30 Carbine

    Never had; our favorite "truck gun" for road trips of any kind. Usually take an Inland post-war rebuilt with the stock pouch carrying 2 15 round magazines, another one in the rifle and a couple of 30-rounders (VERY important to have the improved mag catch with the lateral lug) at hand. I'd rather carry them with FMJs since the chance of using it against vehicles/cover is higher.

    Due to its light kick and rather small size, wife handles it easily, and its looks usually won't spook other "non-gun" people traveling with us.

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    I reload a lot of Round Nose Soft Points and bought some factory privi partizan ammo and bullets to reload.

    I got some South Korean made mags that work good, they were new in wrappers. The WWII mags do not lock the bolt back after the last round is fired, BTW.
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    Re: Don't discount the M1 .30 Carbine

    Quote Originally Posted by Antonio View Post

    Due to its light kick and rather small size, wife handles it easily, and its looks usually won't spook other "non-gun" people traveling with us.

    M1 & M2 Carbines.jpg
    hey, I like that pair there..........His and Hers
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    Re: Don't discount the M1 .30 Carbine

    I always post the same two things when someone posts about the M 1 Carbine. First, it was Audie Murphy's favorite personal weapon. He supposedly wielded it like a pistol, one handed, when up close.

    Second is from an account in the book: "The Last Stand of Fox Company" which was about the Marines first contact with Chinese troops in the far north of Korea. The members of Fox said the Carbine's rounds weren't powerful enough to take down the Chinese troops unless a head shot was made. Chinese troops' uniforms were frequently ice-coated, if that has anything to do with it, or it could be myth. Most soldiers want a round that will drop an enemy in his tracks...and that don't happen always.
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    I'm quite fond of my 1943 Inland M1 Carbine. I probably paid a premium for it at the time but they aren't getting any cheaper.


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    Re: Don't discount the M1 .30 Carbine

    My reaction to the FN P90 and HK MP-7 has been "Congratulations guys! You invented the M1 Carbine".

    It took me a while to get to the level of understanding, but the fact is that the vast majority of any body of individuals who pick up a rifle will have no clue of how or inclination to exploit a 500-yard capable weapon, let alone a 1000-yard one. We've NEVER had a culture that would enable us to field and army composed entirely of Carlos Hathcocks, and we certainly don't now. Once you wrap your bean around that, issuing weapons like the M1 Carbine to the masses begins to make a lot of sense.

    It's interesting that even after they invented the thing for that purpose, the U.S. military seems to have been among the last to fully come to grips with that. My understanding is that a lot of M1 Carbines were used by the ARVN, but I'm not aware of McNamara's Whiz Kid groups doing any studies of how they performed in that arena. Given the teething problems of the early M16 at the time, it might have been a tad embarrassing for them.
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    Re: Don't discount the M1 .30 Carbine

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigslug View Post
    My reaction to the FN P90 and HK MP-7 has been "Congratulations guys! You invented the M1 Carbine".

    It took me a while to get to the level of understanding, but the fact is that the vast majority of any body of individuals who pick up a rifle will have no clue of how or inclination to exploit a 500-yard capable weapon, let alone a 1000-yard one. We've NEVER had a culture that would enable us to field and army composed entirely of Carlos Hathcocks, and we certainly don't now.
    Not Hathcocks, but competent rifleman are trained every day and have been for a while in sub cultures. Basic grunts to 500, DM's to 800.
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    Re: Don't discount the M1 .30 Carbine

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigslug View Post
    My reaction to the FN P90 and HK MP-7 has been "Congratulations guys! You invented the M1 Carbine".

    It took me a while to get to the level of understanding, but the fact is that the vast majority of any body of individuals who pick up a rifle will have no clue of how or inclination to exploit a 500-yard capable weapon, let alone a 1000-yard one. We've NEVER had a culture that would enable us to field and army composed entirely of Carlos Hathcocks, and we certainly don't now. Once you wrap your bean around that, issuing weapons like the M1 Carbine to the masses begins to make a lot of sense.

    It's interesting that even after they invented the thing for that purpose, the U.S. military seems to have been among the last to fully come to grips with that. My understanding is that a lot of M1 Carbines were used by the ARVN, but I'm not aware of McNamara's Whiz Kid groups doing any studies of how they performed in that arena. Given the teething problems of the early M16 at the time, it might have been a tad embarrassing for them.
    They were pretty popular with the militia and with the Americans early in the war, but once the M 16 got its act together, they were less popular. Advisors liked them early in the war because they weren't M 14s. When I was over there, the M 16s were ARVN rifles and the M1 carbines were kinda obsolete. The M 16s were superior as to affect and rate of fire.
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    Re: Don't discount the M1 .30 Carbine

    Love my M1 carbine. New production from old machinery. About 8 years old and runs everything I put through it. Great close quarter rifle. Compact and packs a decent punch. Reloading is fairly easy with the tapered cartridge. Blowing up tannerite at 75 yards is with iron sights no less.

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    Re: Don't discount the M1 .30 Carbine

    I have my Dad’s old M1 Carbine (mostly IBM) and I occasionally will take it out but I just don’t run it a lot because of parts. I’ve been thinking of picking up a new Inland but $1K is kinda steep to me when a can get buy a very nice WWII for a couple hundred more. It would be cool to take a carbine course using a M1 Carbine.
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