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    Advanced C and C

    I'm taking my first advanced C and C class tomorrow night. We will split into 2 sessions: tomorrow at local restaurant for the classroom, and we get to pick from several days for our range time. We need to fire 100 rds to qualify.

    In SD, you can get a basic C and C permit by registering with the Sheriff. This does not have reciprocity with some bordering states. I think I can carry in 14 states with my basic.

    I'm looking forward as I'm pretty green at proper carry and such. Anything I should know before hand? I'll fill everybody in on how the class went.

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    Yep, bring what you carry, not just gun but ammo, holster etc. If I had a $ for every time I ask someone "Is that what you carry every day?" and they respond with a red faced "No." Id be rich...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wambli Ska View Post
    Yep, bring what you carry, not just gun but ammo, holster etc. If I had a $ for every time I ask someone "Is that what you carry every day?" and they respond with a red faced "No." Id be rich...
    Hey ... some of us are just c h e a p and took it with a .22lr ...
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    Hey ... some of us are just c h e a p and took it with a .22lr ...
    Cheater...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wambli Ska View Post
    Cheater...
    That's nothing. In Florida you just have to fire one round from any firearm and you're qualified to carry anything. The one round doesn't even have to be at a target.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisheadgib View Post
    That's nothing. In Florida you just have to fire one round from any firearm and you're qualified to carry anything. The one round doesn't even have to be at a target.
    What if it strikes the instructor?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisheadgib View Post
    That's nothing. In Florida you just have to fire one round from any firearm and you're qualified to carry anything. The one round doesn't even have to be at a target.
    The (Florida) class I took had us fire a Mark 2 at a bullet trap - all of 6 feet away. They did have us shoot several times - and it was the first time a couple of folks had ever fired a gun. They even gave me the target afterwards - which I meant to take to the range today to re-use, but forgot it at home. Next time...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bellcat View Post
    I'm taking my first advanced C and C class tomorrow night. We will split into 2 sessions: tomorrow at local restaurant for the classroom, and we get to pick from several days for our range time. We need to fire 100 rds to qualify.

    In SD, you can get a basic C and C permit by registering with the Sheriff. This does not have reciprocity with some bordering states. I think I can carry in 14 states with my basic.

    I'm looking forward as I'm pretty green at proper carry and such. Anything I should know before hand? I'll fill everybody in on how the class went.

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    https://www.ballisticdefense.com/southdakota/

    Looks pretty comprehensive...the instructor emailed that we have to move fast and stay on task.

    As a 'not very experienced' pistolero, I am looking forward.
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    Prepare a place in your closet for holsters.....
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    What’s worse is I thought NC’s range qual idea (something like fire 10 rounds at 3, 5 and 7 yards w/ at least 21 falling in a 6” or so ring) was stupid. I know of at least 3 people who have had their CHPs for at least a couple years and have not fire a single round since their CHP class. TO ME that is irresponsible and while they do have the righ pt to defend themselves it scares the crappé out of me thinking any of those 3 I know of could be what stands between me and my family’s and a bad guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCFUBAR View Post
    What’s worse is I thought NC’s range qual idea (something like fire 10 rounds at 3, 5 and 7 yards w/ at least 21 falling in a 6” or so ring) was stupid. I know of at least 3 people who have had their CHPs for at least a couple years and have not fire a single round since their CHP class. TO ME that is irresponsible and while they do have the righ pt to defend themselves it scares the crappé out of me thinking any of those 3 I know of could be what stands between me and my family’s and a bad guy.
    Or worse, they're shooting AT the bad guy - you might not be safe 90 degrees away!
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    In the class my wife and I took we had to fire 5 rounds with the gun range supplied firearm (Glock 17 if I remember correctly). Had to fire about 25 rounds during qualification for the club membership at our gun range......and went through a good 50 rounds later to qualify for the Action Pistol events the club is starting up. Had the first event last weekend to break in the new steel targets and we went through about 100 rounds each. Cost of ammunition was a major factor in deciding on 9MM in a carry gun. The more practice you get the more proficient you are and the lower the cost of ammunition is the more practice you are likely to get. A .45 won't stop anything you that can't hit due to lack of practice. We practice as much as we can afford to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCFUBAR View Post
    What’s worse is I thought NC’s range qual idea (something like fire 10 rounds at 3, 5 and 7 yards w/ at least 21 falling in a 6” or so ring) was stupid. I know of at least 3 people who have had their CHPs for at least a couple years and have not fire a single round since their CHP class. TO ME that is irresponsible and while they do have the righ pt to defend themselves it scares the crappé out of me thinking any of those 3 I know of could be what stands between me and my family’s and a bad guy.
    Even though I was already a card carrying NC certified instructor they made me take another instructors class to get my CCW

    This guy put a loaded, safety off, Ruger pistol in my hand at 3-5-7 yards and made me fire the course of fire while an assistant loaded mags and he reloaded my gun. That was all the hands on firearms instruction provided. The rest of his course will get one of his students killed or in jail someday. That’s why I teach my family and friends...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCFUBAR View Post
    What’s worse is I thought NC’s range qual idea (something like fire 10 rounds at 3, 5 and 7 yards w/ at least 21 falling in a 6” or so ring) was stupid. I know of at least 3 people who have had their CHPs for at least a couple years and have not fire a single round since their CHP class. TO ME that is irresponsible and while they do have the righ pt to defend themselves it scares the crappé out of me thinking any of those 3 I know of could be what stands between me and my family’s and a bad guy.
    Oh, had someone ask me to clean and test fire their gun for them as a favor. No bang... The gun had a broken firing pin, they would have been better off with a baseball bat... He bought it used, had never fired it in 20+ years...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bellcat View Post
    https://www.ballisticdefense.com/southdakota/

    Looks pretty comprehensive...the instructor emailed that we have to move fast and stay on task.

    As a 'not very experienced' pistolero, I am looking forward.
    That’s a lot of ground to cover in 3 hours of “classroom” time. Not much detail on the practical shooting portion.

    So the basics:

    #1 Stay safe by staying alert, specially keeping track of what everyone is doing. You will be sorrounded by newbies with loaded guns and you have no idea how good your instructors really are.

    If you see something wrong, say something, nicely (no need to be a Richard), but don’t let it get lost in the jumble.

    Listen to everything intently and ask a lot of questions of anything you don’t “get”. If you are not satisfied with the answer don’t let the instructor off the hook until you are.

    Have an open mind, but if your tingly spidy sense kicks in and somethings sounds like BS or the instructor can not explain/justify it’s probably garbage.

    If an instructor insists his way is best an final for everyone and all other ways are wrong, he does not know what he is talking about.

    If at the end you walk away more comfortable in your CC abilities it was a success. Otherwise you wasted your money.
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wambli Ska View Post
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    So the basics:

    #1 Stay safe by staying alert, specially keeping track of what everyone is doing. You will be sorrounded by newbies with loaded guns and you have no idea how good your instructors really are.

    If you see something wrong, say something, nicely (no need to be a Richard), but don’t let it get lost in the jumble.

    Listen to everything intently and ask a lot of questions of anything you don’t “get”. If you are not satisfied with the answer don’t let the instructor off the hook until you are.

    Have an open mind, but if your tingly spidy sense kicks in and somethings sounds like BS or the instructor can not explain/justify it’s probably garbage.

    If an instructor insists his way is best an final for everyone and all other ways are wrong, he does not know what he is talking about.

    If at the end you walk away more comfortable in your CC abilities it was a success. Otherwise you wasted your money.


    I've seen some real lemons teaching classes over here and when they feel it necessary to give you their resume' instead of a solid explanation to a question, that's a huge red flag!

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    I hate the term "conceal and carry".
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpj View Post
    I hate the term "conceal and carry".
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