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    To all Nevertrumpers: Long read but worth it.

    I found this on my Facebook wall this morning and I think it's a worthwhile read if you think Trump is brash, rude, unpresidential and not worthy of the office. It was posted by my Urologist, who happens to be a Jewish Conservative, which is very rare.

    "Marshall Kamena is a registered democrat and was elected Mayor of Livermore, CA. He ran on the democratic ticket as he knew a Bay Area city would never vote for a Republican. He is as conservative as they come. He wrote the following and it is a good read.

    Trump's lack of decorum, dignity, and statesmanship:

    My Leftist friends (as well as many ardent #NeverTrumpers) constantly ask me if I’m not bothered by Donald Trump’s lack of decorum. They ask if I don’t think his tweets are “beneath the dignity of the office.”
    Here’s my answer:

    We Right-thinking people have tried dignity. There could not have been a man of more quiet dignity than George W. Bush as he suffered the outrageous lies and politically motivated hatreds that undermined his presidency.

    We tried statesmanship. Could there be another human being on this earth who so desperately prized “collegiality” as John McCain?

    We tried propriety – has there been a nicer human being ever than Mitt Romney?

    And the results were always the same. This is because, while we were playing by the rules of dignity, collegiality and propriety, the Left has been, for the past 60 years, engaged in a knife fight where the only rules are those of Saul Alinsky and the Chicago mob.

    I don’t find anything “dignified,” “collegial” or “proper” about Barack Obama’s lying about what went down on the streets of Ferguson in order to ramp up racial hatreds because racial hatreds serve the Democratic Party. I don’t see anything “dignified” in lying about the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi and imprisoning an innocent filmmaker to cover your tracks. I don’t see anything “statesman-like” in weaponizing the IRS to be used to destroy your political opponents and any dissent.. Yes, Obama was “articulate” and “polished” but in no way was he in the least bit “dignified,” “collegial” or “proper.”

    The Left has been engaged in a war against America since the rise of the Children of the ‘60s. To them, it has been an all-out war where nothing is held sacred and nothing is seen as beyond the pale. It has been a war they’ve fought with violence, the threat of violence, demagoguery and lies from day one – the violent take-over of the universities – till today. The problem is that, through these years, the Left has been the only side fighting this war. While the Left has been taking a knife to anyone who stands in their way, the Right has continued to act with dignity, collegiality and propriety. With Donald Trump, this all has come to an end. Donald Trump is America ’s first wartime president in the Culture War.

    During wartime, things like “dignity” and “collegiality” simply aren’t the most essential qualities one looks for in their warriors. Ulysses Grant was a drunk whose behavior in peacetime might well have seen him drummed out of the Army for conduct unbecoming. Had Abraham Lincoln applied the peacetime rules of propriety and booted Grant, the Democrats might well still be holding their slaves today. Lincoln rightly recognized that, “I cannot spare this man He fights.”

    General George Patton was a vulgar-talking, son-of-a-bitch. In peacetime, this might have seen him stripped of rank. But, had Franklin Roosevelt applied the normal rules of decorum then, Hitler and the Socialists would barely be five decades into their thousand-year Reich.

    Trump is fighting. And what’s particularly delicious is that, like Patton standing over the battlefield as his tanks obliterated Rommel’s, he’s shouting, “You magnificent bastards, I read your book!”

    That is just the icing on the cake, but it’s wonderful to see that not only is Trump fighting, he’s defeating the Left using their own tactics. That book is Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals – a book so essential to the Liberals’ war against America that it is a playbook for the entire Obama administration and the subject of Hillary Clinton’s senior thesis. It is a book of such pure evil, that, just as the rest of us would dedicate our book to those we most love or those to whom we are most indebted, Alinsky dedicated his book to Lucifer.

    Trump’s tweets may seem rash and unconsidered but, in reality, he is doing exactly what Alinsky suggested his followers do. First, instead of going after “the fake media” — and they are so fake that they have literally gotten every single significant story of the past 60 years not just wrong, but diametrically opposed to the truth, from the Tet Offensive to Benghazi, to what really happened on the streets of Ferguson, Missouri — Trump isolated CNN. He made it personal.

    Then, just as Alinsky suggests, he employs ridicule which Alinsky described as “the most powerful weapon of all.” .... Most importantly, Trump’s tweets have put CNN in an untenable and unwinnable position. .... They need to respond. This leaves them with only two choices. They can either “go high” (as Hillary would disingenuously declare of herself and the fake news would disingenuously report as the truth) and begin to honestly and accurately report the news or they can double-down on their usual tactics and hope to defeat Trump with twice their usual hysteria and demagoguery. The problem for CNN (et al.) with the former is that, if they were to start honestly reporting the news, that would be the end of the Democratic Party they serve.

    It is nothing but the incessant use of fake news (read: propaganda) that keeps the Left alive. Imagine, for example, if CNN had honestly and accurately reportedthen-candidate Barack Obama’s close ties to foreign terrorists (Rashid Khalidi), domestic terrorists (William Ayers), the mafia (Tony Rezko) or the true evils of his spiritual mentor, Jeremiah Wright’s church.. Imagine if they had honestly and accurately conveyed the evils of the Obama administration’s weaponizing of the IRS to be used against their political opponents or his running of guns to the Mexican cartels or the truth about the murder of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and the Obama administration’s cover-up.

    So, To my friends on the Left — and the #NeverTrumpers as well — do I wish we lived in a time when our president could be “collegial” and “dignified” and “proper”? Of course I do. These aren’t those times. This is war. And it’s a war that the Left has been fighting without opposition for the past 50 years. So, say anything you want about this president - I get it - he can be vulgar, he can be crude, he can be undignified at times. I don’t care. I can’t spare this man. He fights for America!"
    Political correctness is a liberal degrading of the freedom of speech. George Orwell's 1984 famously incorporated the notion of limiting thought through language (see Newspeak)." Meanwhile, the beatings will continue until morale improves around here.

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    Re: To all Nevertrumpers: Long read but worth it.

    Good read, and oh so true!!

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    Re: To all Nevertrumpers: Long read but worth it.

    Good read. Spot on.
    We as a country have a blown engine, a transmission that slips in every forward gear, and a rear diff with a loud whine. And our politicians keep trying to spray armorall on the tires and proudly step back as if they are helping fix the car.

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    Re: To all Nevertrumpers: Long read but worth it.

    You would think you could find at least one conservative person to say this on a national stage on a major media outlet, over and over again.
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    Re: To all Nevertrumpers: Long read but worth it.

    Quote Originally Posted by CHIRO1989 View Post
    You would think you could find at least one conservative person to say this on a national stage on a major media outlet, over and over again.
    I wonder about that myself. I don't understand why conservatives don't use the truth about democraps against them. The tactics that the dems use on Republicans is right out of "Rules for Radicals" by Saul Alinski. Saul Alinski actually hung out with the organized crime family Gambino's to get insight into their tactics before he wrote his book. Saul Alinski was a communo/fascist.
    Political correctness is a liberal degrading of the freedom of speech. George Orwell's 1984 famously incorporated the notion of limiting thought through language (see Newspeak)." Meanwhile, the beatings will continue until morale improves around here.

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    Re: To all Nevertrumpers: Long read but worth it.

    Good essay.

    It's kind of like in the run-up to our entry into WWII. The Brits were urging us to create a spy bureau, and our statesmen were replying, "Gentlemen don't read other people's mail.' It probably sounded very proper to them, but fortunately we had a few street fighters like Wild Bill Donovan and the Dulles brothers who understood that to defeat an enemy with an army like the Wehrmacht, we were going to need to learn some new tricks.

    G.W. Bush let himself be turned into a punching bag, so as to live up to his daddy's idea of appearing 'presidential,' and the Alinski-ites kicked his ass till he didn't know straight up from sic 'em. It was very noble, but it didn't pay the rent.

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    Re: To all Nevertrumpers: Long read but worth it.

    Good read, unfortunately it will change few minds.

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    Re: To all Nevertrumpers: Long read but worth it.

    Fake news.

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    Re: To all Nevertrumpers: Long read but worth it.

    Agreed. As far as I'm concerned, "Decorum" is yet another word for "Political Correctness" and boils down to semantics. The left LOVES to argue semantics - I personally won't waste my time. So La-Ti-friggin'-Dah!. I also wouldn't give TWITter the time of day, but if Trump chooses to, that's his affair. At least it isn't face***k.
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    Re: To all Nevertrumpers: Long read but worth it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jermanator View Post
    Fake news.
    Why is this fake news? I am glad that you asked (nobody did, which actually scares me because of that and if a "long read" like this at just under 1100 words and is really a "long read"... so called "conservatives" are seriously lacking in brains.)

    The author that they say wrote it is a lie. This was not a message for the "Never Trumps". It was written by a man that works as a conservative speaker-- meaning he tells a certain audience what they want to hear to make a pay check. This is pure idiot propaganda.

    But hey... whatever. Carry on.
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    We can count on a one-sided, biased point of view from you. Nobody really cares any more.
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    Re: To all Nevertrumpers: Long read but worth it.

    Trump or Marxists.....Trump or Marxists.....Trump or Marxists......

    Yep. I’ll take Trump.
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