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    Novx 9mm luger +p arx®

    If it shoots reliably in your guns and there is a perceived advantage due to minor weight loss go for it. I'd shoot a few hundred rounds to determine reliability.

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    Ain't no such thing as a 'Magic Bullet', some work better than others IF the conditions are right and it hits the right place on target, other times you may be left with just an expensive caliber sized hole.
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    Re: Novx 9mm luger +p arx®

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Chief View Post
    Ain't no such thing as a 'Magic Bullet', some work better than others IF the conditions are right and it hits the right place on target, other times you may be left with just an expensive caliber sized hole.
    That's right Chief. At least not until they start packing the nose with PETN and RDX Comp. A-4. You know, Raufoss for Home Defense.

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    Re: Novx 9mm luger +p arx®

    At some point I will buy a box or two and test it out on watermelons. It will not be at typical self defense range though, the only range at my club where I can shoot anything other than paper targets only has 25 yard and 50 yard options. I guess if it performs well at those distances (who am I kidding, I will never hit a watermelon at 50 yards with a Shield ) then I should be impressed.

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    Dad gave me 20 of those 65 grain Inceptor ARX bullets to try. I loaded them with 4.7 grains of TiteGroup and fired them out of an M&P Compact. All I can say is they all chambered and fired fine. As accurate as anything I have shot. Shooting a 6" round steel at 21 yards, put 8 out of ten rounds on that steel. That's pretty darn good for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gene L View Post
    I don't see the need to carry spare magazines. Unless one intends to prolong a fire fight, the mag in the pistol should do the trick. The stats don't bear up the need for reloading in actual situations.
    The "stats" don't take into consideration that the single most common point of failure in a semi-auto firearm is the magazine....I have a spare tire in the truck too....
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueTone911 View Post
    Dad gave me 20 of those 65 grain Inceptor ARX bullets to try. I loaded them with 4.7 grains of TiteGroup and fired them out of an M&P Compact. All I can say is they all chambered and fired fine. As accurate as anything I have shot. Shooting a 6" round steel at 21 yards, put 8 out of ten rounds on that steel. That's pretty darn good for me.
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    Re: Novx 9mm luger +p arx®

    I speculate that the bullet remaining solid after impact is good. Be good to know how much of a barrier in can pass through and retain it's unfired mass. The reason being that it's lighter than normal weight as compared to lead/guilding composition bullets makes it potentially suspect in my thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10canyon53 View Post
    At some point I will buy a box or two and test it out on watermelons. It will not be at typical self defense range though, the only range at my club where I can shoot anything other than paper targets only has 25 yard and 50 yard options. I guess if it performs well at those distances (who am I kidding, I will never hit a watermelon at 50 yards with a Shield ) then I should be impressed.
    Shooting a watermelon will prove you can explode a watermelon. Without catching a bullet in a media (paper, gel, meat) there is zero reliable data that can be obtained. Anything witnessed is purely subjective and means nothing. Other than....you can kill a watermelon. Which is fun, but best done with high velocity rifle rounds. Makes a heck of a messs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonMPD View Post
    Accurate doesn’t mean effective.
    No, it does not. As I said, all I can say is...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpj View Post
    Shooting a watermelon will prove you can explode a watermelon. Without catching a bullet in a media (paper, gel, meat) there is zero reliable data that can be obtained. Anything witnessed is purely subjective and means nothing. Other than....you can kill a watermelon. Which is fun, but best done with high velocity rifle rounds. Makes a heck of a messs.
    I wouldn't say zero data. These rounds, like hollow points, are designed to do damage to tissue which is made up of a high percentage of water. No, a watermelon does not have the same percentage of water as a human body, but it would provide more useful data than just shooting paper targets. I am quite familiar with what happens when watermelons are shot. Whenever I find them cheap I stock up and the family goes to the range. We shoot them with 12 gauge slugs, .223 hollow point rounds and .22 hollow points. A 1 oz. segmenting slug traveling at 1600 fps out of a 12 gauge will turn the watermelon into pink mist. A .223 hollow point will blow a huge crater in the back of the watermelon as an exit wound. The .22 hollow point will make about a quarter size hole. According to the published data, the 65 gr. Novx projectile travels at nearly twice the velocity of the 147 gr. Golden Saber JHP's I currently use. Any test I do on watermelons with the Novx rounds for "science" will have to include some Golden Sabers as a baseline. I found this video interesting:


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    So how do you quantify results between different rounds shot into watermelons?
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    Re: Novx 9mm luger +p arx®

    Quote Originally Posted by 10canyon53 View Post
    I know this is still new, but does anybody have experience with this? One of the main things that interests me is the reduced weight. My wife complains about how heavy her purse is with her Shield and two spare magazines. Anything I can do to remove an excuse for her to not carry.......

    http://www.novxammo.com/cartridges/#product1

    I bet cleaning her purse would make more of a weight savings. My wife just came in with a pound of spare change. Or moving the pistol to the body and the mags only in the purse.
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    I saw an add for this new stuff, it does not hold together like a hardcast like the original ARX did.
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    Re: Novx 9mm luger +p arx®

    Until live things get made dead and the terminal performance from soft tissue is collected, it’s defensive viability speculation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post
    Until live things get made dead and the terminal performance from soft tissue is collected, it’s defensive viability speculation.
    If we only a knew a guy who could trap pigs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpj View Post
    If we only a knew a guy who could trap pigs.
    Dude, I’ve been trying for a week. All I’ve caught was a huge 8 point buck I had to let out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpj View Post
    So how do you quantify results between different rounds shot into watermelons?
    What I would do is compare the damage to the inside of the watermelon compared to the Golden Sabre 147 gr. JHP rounds, which I have seen ballistics gel test results for and compared to standard copper jacketed target ammo. Admittedly a long way from perfect, but the best I can do without some pigs to shoot. Sad thing is, there are feral hogs tearing up the gun range, but we are not allowed to shoot them.

    No pressure Zee, but you are our best hope for some "scientific" testing. It will be a few months before watermelons come back in season here in Florida, so you have some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tugar View Post
    I bet cleaning her purse would make more of a weight savings. My wife just came in with a pound of spare change. Or moving the pistol to the body and the mags only in the purse.
    Both suggestions are non-starters. The effects of cleaning out her purse would last less than 24 hrs.......by then she would have it loaded again.

    At first I was dead-set against her carrying off-body in a purse, but it has proven very difficult for her to find an on-body option that works for her. She has a tendency to try to wear smaller size clothes than she should, thinking it makes her look slimmer. I finally gave up and bought her a concealed carry purse when I realized that she would carry much more consistently with that. The problem is, the purse is brown. Doesn't work for every outfit. She tried to switch to a black non concealed carry purse when brown would not match her outfit, but I raised such a fuss that now she will put the brown purse in a black bag when she feels brown will not do. Makes it harder to access her gun in an emergency, but still better than not carrying. I guess I need to start shopping for a black concealed carry purse......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post
    Until live things get made dead and the terminal performance from soft tissue is collected, it’s defensive viability speculation.
    This.

    It need to be tested with scientific methods under laboratory conditions firstly (which I doubt the manufacturer has--or at best, minimally) then needs some years of field testing from autopsy / radiology and imaging reports. New-fangled ammo makers seem to forget most well-vetted SD / duty bullets have been in service for several years at a minimum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post
    Dude, I’ve been trying for a week. All I’ve caught was a huge 8 point buck I had to let out.
    Yea, let out.... of the freezer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonMPD View Post
    Yea, let out.... of the freezer.
    Unfortunately no. Can’t trap deer without a permit and can’t shoot them in the trap. So......cue the music to “Born Free”!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonMPD View Post
    This.

    It need to be tested with scientific methods under laboratory conditions firstly (which I doubt the manufacturer has--or at best, minimally) then needs some years of field testing from autopsy / radiology and imaging reports. New-fangled ammo makers seem to forget most well-vetted SD / duty bullets have been in service for several years at a minimum.
    But......it’s new!!! And........they used big words!! And........the sound barrier in liquid and all!!

    Gucci.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post
    But......it’s new!!! And........they used big words!! And........the sound barrier in liquid and all!!

    Gucci.
    Amazing right? People claim it has a supersonic temporary wound cavity...in a liquid. Which has supersonic properties many, many, many times fast than air. Which means the shock-wave in liquid is *gasp* SUB-sonic in that liquid. Nevermind its actually caused by the exponential effect of an in-compressible fluid reacting to the velocity of the bullet, irrespective of its sonic properties.

    Hence why FMJ produces similar wound paths in test medium as HP bullets do. HP bullets just blunt under hydraulic pressure and make larger holes at lower terminal velocities...which is their mission.

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    While everyone else (name brand) uses the same standards as the FBI to test their defensive ammo and release the results, this company decided to make videos using clay, water, and ice. None of which have the same characteristics as soft tissue, bone, and organs, that I am aware of.

    http://www.novxammo.com/videos/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post
    While everyone else (name brand) uses the same standards as the FBI to test their defensive ammo and release the results, this company decided to make videos using clay, water, and ice. None of which have the same characteristics as soft tissue, bone, and organs, that I am aware of.

    http://www.novxammo.com/videos/
    Yeah, well, the other companies don't have an NRA stooge in a suit doing an interview.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpj View Post
    Yeah, well, the other companies don't have an NRA stooge in a suit doing an interview.
    I’m sure they’ve all paid for that “privilege” at some time or another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post
    While everyone else (name brand) uses the same standards as the FBI to test their defensive ammo and release the results, this company decided to make videos using clay, water, and ice. None of which have the same characteristics as soft tissue, bone, and organs, that I am aware of.

    http://www.novxammo.com/videos/
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    I guess I could see these as an Air Marshal or apartment round. You know, where the thought of over-penetration and the legal consequences would make something like this much more agreeable.

    Like I said before it beats a pointy stick but if 10canyon53's better half is already carrying then just stick with what you already have. Those loads probably work just fine.

    Work on changing her outlook before you go changing her ammo.

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    Looks like block Ice wood bee fun 2 shoot
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    I still say we need to shoot some pigs for fun......oops, I mean "science"......and maybe sausage.

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