Results 1 to 16 of 16

Thread: Need Help Finding a Win. 70 Part

  1. #1
    Senior Member shotgunshooter3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Global Nomad
    Posts
    5,221

    Need Help Finding a Win. 70 Part

    For all you google masters, I need help finding a (preferably) complete bolt assembly for a short action, post '64 (push feed), with .308 Win bolt face (.473"?).

    EBay and the usual parts suppliers have been fruitless thus far.
    - I am a rifleman with a poorly chosen screen name. -
    "It's far easier to start out learning to be precise and then speeding up, than it is having never "mastered" the weapon, and trying to be precise." - Dan C

  2. #2
    Senior Member knitepoet's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    16,112

    Re: Need Help Finding a Win. 70 Part

    POSSIBLY found one @ Midwest Gun Works, but says ""Must be fitted by MGW"

    Their website description is kind of vague "Controlled round push feed"
    So not sure WTH it is
    Quote Originally Posted by Seven habits of highly effective pirates
    Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.

  3. #3
    Senior Member Fisheadgib's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    crusted in sand
    Posts
    4,812

    Re: Need Help Finding a Win. 70 Part

    That's gonna be a really tough one to find. If you did find one, expect to pay 400 to 500 bucks for it plus the cost of having it fitted.
    Quote Originally Posted by snake284 View Post
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .

  4. #4
    Senior Member cpj's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    MOzambique
    Posts
    35,872

    Re: Need Help Finding a Win. 70 Part

    Good luck.

    Question, why for you desire this?
    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post

    I'm here for the guns, hunting, and skirt wearing men.

  5. #5
    Senior Member MileHighShooter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Denver, CO
    Posts
    4,284

    Re: Need Help Finding a Win. 70 Part

    Paul,

    That was specifically from the Super Shadow series. Ultimate Shadow was a regular CRF . The bottom of the bolt face is open like a CRF, but it is still a push feed and plunger ejector, not extractor. For the most part they were WSM rifles. Helped with feeding. I've heard they can be a little fragile, so buying extra parts is a good idea since its long out of production from a closed plant


    Last edited by MileHighShooter; 02-10-2018 at 06:18 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wambli Ska View Post
    Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.

  6. #6
    Senior Member MileHighShooter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Denver, CO
    Posts
    4,284

    Re: Need Help Finding a Win. 70 Part

    SS3,

    Need to be very specific on the year of the "short action" M70. 64-81 or 82, Winchester SA was just a LA with a magazine block and I think bolt stop. In that case, any post 64 .473 will work.

    Midwest is your best bet, but parts are drying up. New Haven has been closed for almost 20 years. Ebay or Gunbroker are your best bet. Or possibly PT&G, they might make their own. I know they make Remington bolt bodies and compete bolts
    Quote Originally Posted by Wambli Ska View Post
    Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.

  7. #7
    Senior Member MileHighShooter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Denver, CO
    Posts
    4,284

    Re: Need Help Finding a Win. 70 Part

    Quote Originally Posted by Wambli Ska View Post
    Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.

  8. #8
    Senior Member shotgunshooter3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Global Nomad
    Posts
    5,221
    Thanks folks. This is for 41magnut's Palma rifle. Apparently the bolt is shot out. Since I doubt the rifle could be recreated for $500, it's probably worth it to track down a bolt assembly and have it fitted


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    - I am a rifleman with a poorly chosen screen name. -
    "It's far easier to start out learning to be precise and then speeding up, than it is having never "mastered" the weapon, and trying to be precise." - Dan C

  9. #9
    Senior Member MileHighShooter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Denver, CO
    Posts
    4,284

    Re: Need Help Finding a Win. 70 Part

    If you can get the serial # you can look up the year of production online. That'll tell you if you need the true SA or just a regular bolt
    Quote Originally Posted by Wambli Ska View Post
    Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.

  10. #10
    Senior Member shotgunshooter3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Global Nomad
    Posts
    5,221
    It's a '76-'77 model


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    - I am a rifleman with a poorly chosen screen name. -
    "It's far easier to start out learning to be precise and then speeding up, than it is having never "mastered" the weapon, and trying to be precise." - Dan C

  11. #11
    Senior Member MileHighShooter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Denver, CO
    Posts
    4,284

    Re: Need Help Finding a Win. 70 Part

    Then any .473 bolt should work. The bottom of the link I posted.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wambli Ska View Post
    Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.

  12. #12
    Senior Member 41magnut's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    The Giant Side Of Texas
    Posts
    1,087
    Gentlemen,
    The back story to SS3's thread.
    During the Southwest Nationals Championship, in Phoenix AZ., my Winchester actioned Palma rifle developed a disturbing problem. Ultimately, I withdrew from the competition.
    Thanks to Matriarch's google skills, by supper time, we have a list of gunsmiths in the Phoenix area.
    Began calling in order of the earliest opening time. Found one that agreeded to take on the rush job.
    Off through morning rush hour traffic we go.

    Described the problem, he believed he could fix it. Left the rifle in his care and out the door we go, anxiously awaiting a phone call.

    When I returned to the shop go pick up the rifle, the gentleman reviewed the repairs and stated that what was ultimately needed was a new bolt. Don't piece together a bolt, buy a complete bolt.
    Of course, knowing of the shutdown of the Connecticut factory two decades ago, I asked where am I gonna find one?

    "That's a Winchester, they made millions of 'em", then mentioned the usual sources for gun parts.

    This turned into a search for the Holy Grail.

    Hence the query from SS3.

    When I receive my rifle back from my local gunsmith & the story is concluded, I'll post a complere report with greater detail.

    Bottom line, I do not believe a new bolt is needed. 😊


    Sent from my SM-T520 using Tapatalk
    "The .30-06 is never a mistake." Townsend Whelen

  13. #13
    Moderator Wambli Ska's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Working on my tan!
    Posts
    24,109

    Re: Need Help Finding a Win. 70 Part

    Ok, so if I'm reading this correctly what you need is a standard push feed SA model 70 bolt, no? It's probably cheaper to buy a used gun (as the GS said, MILLIONS of them out there), keep the bolt and part out the rest of the gun on eBay and the barreled action on GB. Actually you will probably make money at it... Have MHS find you one. I've never seen anyone with his level of luck finding great guns for next to NOTHING

    Now of course curiosity is killing me. How the heck do you break a bolt!?!?!?!?!?!?!
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton

  14. #14
    Senior Member cpj's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    MOzambique
    Posts
    35,872

    Re: Need Help Finding a Win. 70 Part

    So what was the disturbing problem?
    Quote Originally Posted by Zee View Post

    I'm here for the guns, hunting, and skirt wearing men.

  15. #15
    Senior Member 41magnut's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    The Giant Side Of Texas
    Posts
    1,087

    Re: Need Help Finding a Win. 70 Part

    Quote Originally Posted by cpj View Post
    So what was the disturbing problem?
    Quote Originally Posted by Wambli Ska View Post
    Ok, so if I'm reading this correctly what you need is a standard push feed SA model 70 bolt, no? It's probably cheaper to buy a used gun (as the GS said, MILLIONS of them out there), keep the bolt and part out the rest of the gun on eBay and the barreled action on GB. Actually you will probably make money at it... Have MHS find you one. I've never seen anyone with his level of luck finding great guns for next to NOTHING

    Now of course curiosity is killing me. How the heck do you break a bolt!?!?!?!?!?!?!
    I do not believe the bolt is broken as much as worn out, if in fact it is a bolt/firing pin problem.

    Cliff Notes Version,
    During a mid-range match, pulled the trigger to break a shot---snap?
    Lift the bolt----BOOM.
    First thought, Hang fire? Never had one, never saw one, heard of them but ??.

    Dry fire the rifle several times, firing pin falls, and everything looks in order.

    Get back on the gun, 3 rounds fire normally, #4-snap-OH Fudge-
    Gun in my shoulder, pointed in a safe direction, lift the bolt - Boom.
    Done for the day.

    Two days later, rifle is supposedly repaired.
    800 yards 5 sighters, 15 rounds for record, no issues. HAZA
    900 yards 2 sighters, 5 rounds for record, all is good --- SNAP --- lift the bolt --- Boom.

    Withdrew from the remainder of the matches.

    Local guy said he knew exactly what the problem is, and parts are in the mail. Hopefully this will end this drama, and I can get back to shooting.
    "The .30-06 is never a mistake." Townsend Whelen

  16. #16
    Senior Member snake284's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Posts
    20,203

    Re: Need Help Finding a Win. 70 Part

    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunshooter3 View Post
    For all you google masters, I need help finding a (preferably) complete bolt assembly for a short action, post '64 (push feed), with .308 Win bolt face (.473"?).

    EBay and the usual parts suppliers have been fruitless thus far.
    Know ye all this. All push feeds were not created equal. Mine is a 66 model and is the same as the original 64 push feed. Sometime in the 70s they changed some things and the bolts are not interchangeable. One torhing they did was put a guide rail in the action (Or on the bolt, not sure) that has a groove in the bolt(or action). This makes the action smoother but not interchangeable with earlier models.
    Last edited by snake284; 02-16-2018 at 05:01 AM.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •