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    686 locking up

    Shot my 686 some yesterday with a friend. He did most shooting and it locked up several times. He would fire a shot then try to cock the hammer and the cylinder wouldn't turn or open without a lot of twisting / hassle. The final time it locked up I brought it home and had to smack the cylinder with a hammer to get it open.

    .357 mag ammo was used. I cannot get it to occur dry firing empty. Gun was clean and I did not observe any debris around or under the extractor.

    What also can I check?

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    Ejector rod coming unscrewed? It's reverse thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by breamfisher View Post
    Ejector rod coming unscrewed? It's reverse thread.
    That was my first thought as well.
    Secondly, dirty chamber causing a fired case to be held back dragging against the recoil shield
    Third option, "Hot" loads
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    Re: 686 locking up

    There is a recall for that issue, Its free including shipping. The gun comes back with a M after the model#
    The problem is the primers are backing out of the case and locking the cylinder, takes about 10 days

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    Quote Originally Posted by 104RFAST View Post
    There is a recall for that issue, Its free including shipping. The gun comes back with a M after the model#
    The problem is the primers are backing out of the case and locking the cylinder, takes about 10 days
    Is this with the newer 686s?

    edited to add: NVM, I see it only applies to the 686 "no dash" and 686-1
    Both of mine are -3
    Last edited by knitepoet; 02-11-2018 at 10:26 PM.
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    Re: 686 locking up

    A careful examination of the unfired cartridges after an unwanted lock up may help eliminate defective ammo as a possible cause as bullits jumping the crimp from recoil can cause lock up. Primer flow protrusion into the hole in the breech face where the firing pin goes through is also a potential cause. That model was repaired once under contract by S&W for the Customs Service for just such a failing.
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    Re: 686 locking up

    Make sure the grip panels are not on too tight, my SP101 locked up because of that.
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    Re: 686 locking up

    You might try to scrub beneath the extractor star in case there's build up there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by breamfisher View Post
    Ejector rod coming unscrewed? It's reverse thread.

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    There is some looseness when I grab the cylinder and pull towards the rear of the gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 104RFAST View Post
    There is a recall for that issue, Its free including shipping. The gun comes back with a M after the model#
    The problem is the primers are backing out of the case and locking the cylinder, takes about 10 days

    It is a no dash.
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    Re: 686 locking up

    You might want to edit the complete serial number out of that pick.

    Just a thought
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    My 686 is a no-dash and I never sent it in for the fix.

    The only time it locked up on me was back in the 80s with some Blazer 158 grain JHP............it was HOT................no problems since then with any of my hot reloads or any full house factory stuff since.

    I thin there were other reports of that lot of Blazers back then being way over charged. I have fired newer Blazers since with no issues.

    However, I range test any ammo I put in it before I load it for SD.

    Could be simple as the crane coming loose/backing out.

    Is yours any early no-dash/model?

    What ammo were you firing? Have yo fired it before? Reloads or factory?

    I know Blue Dot had to be backed off some, I believe in reloads for the .357 here a couple years ago
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    Re: 686 locking up

    OK, an M and no-dash. Wekk you can eliminate the mod from S&W now. Ammo or it just worked itself loose, which happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knitepoet View Post
    You might want to edit the complete serial number out of that pick.

    Just a thought

    Doesn't really bother me. I've never heard of how someone could do anything with it.

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    Re: 686 locking up

    Quote Originally Posted by JKP View Post
    Doesn't really bother me. I've never heard of how someone could do anything with it.
    I don't know either, but its not paranoia if they really *are* out to get you!
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    Ammo was old UMC 125 grain 357 mag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JKP View Post
    Doesn't really bother me. I've never heard of how someone could do anything with it.
    Quote Originally Posted by zorba View Post
    I don't know either, but its not paranoia if they really *are* out to get you!


    Someone gets it, then files a false report that "My S&W 686 sn _______ was stolen" And it gets entered into the system. If a cop or dealer ever runs your SN, they could 1) take your pistol and "return" it to the person that reported it stolen. 2) charge you with possession of stolen goods.

    Not a HUGE risk, but one easily negated with 30 seconds worth of photo editing
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    Quote Originally Posted by knitepoet View Post
    Someone gets it, then files a false report that "My S&W 686 sn _______ was stolen" And it gets entered into the system. If a cop or dealer ever runs your SN, they could 1) take your pistol and "return" it to the person that reported it stolen. 2) charge you with possession of stolen goods.

    Not a HUGE risk, but one easily negated with 30 seconds worth of photo editing

    That's plausible. SN pic removed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JKP View Post
    That's plausible. SN pic removed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knitepoet View Post
    Someone gets it, then files a false report that "My S&W 686 sn _______ was stolen" And it gets entered into the system. If a cop or dealer ever runs your SN, they could 1) take your pistol and "return" it to the person that reported it stolen. 2) charge you with possession of stolen goods.

    Not a HUGE risk, but one easily negated with 30 seconds worth of photo editing
    I've never heard of this in all my years as a LEO. I would appreciate references to this before I dismiss it as paranoia. Also dealers don't have access to NCIC on stolen firearms. The inefficent way it works as ANY serial number, regardless of make, is entered so a Ruby has the same as a 1911. Pages of interlocking SNs are recorded, since there is no indiscretion on model numbers.
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    Re: 686 locking up

    I'm thinking Internet lore. I have paper work for every gun I have bought.
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    So-------have any suggestions as to the problem been ruled out?
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    Did the bullets pull in the cylinder charge holes making it hard to open/rotate?

    Have you looked at the cylinder gap between the forcing cone and the cylinder face......slid a feeler gauge between them and see what the gap is?
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    686 locking up

    Going to see about tightening ejector rod then go from there.

    Special too for grabbing it?

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    Re: 686 locking up

    My first thought is the problem I had with a Ruger Security Six that I owned. I mostly shot .38 Special lead ammo, and my cleaning was fairly superficial. I did not put particular emphasis on knocking out the carbon and lead ring that formed at the end of a .38 Special case, in each chamber. The cylinder would get tight and hard to shoot .357 magnum, because the cases were longer and pushed back against the frame. When I finally cleaned the chambers till they were smooth all the way through, it solved the problem.

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    Re: 686 locking up

    I'm also not worried about posting a serial number.
    Any police report would have a latter date and then they could catch a real criminal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gene L View Post
    I've never heard of this in all my years as a LEO. I would appreciate references to this before I dismiss it as paranoia. Also dealers don't have access to NCIC on stolen firearms. The inefficent way it works as ANY serial number, regardless of make, is entered so a Ruby has the same as a 1911. Pages of interlocking SNs are recorded, since there is no indiscretion on model numbers.
    No Gene, but most dealers I know will run a serial# through the local PD before buying it, And in this state, pawn shops are SUPPOSED to

    Quote Originally Posted by Buford View Post
    I'm thinking Internet lore. I have paper work for every gun I have bought.
    Buford, is , "Not a HUGE risk, but one easily negated with 30 seconds worth of photo editing" that hard to understand?

    I didn't say it would, or even that it has. Doesn't mean it can't.

    There's a reason most firearm magazines X out some part of most serial numbers, especially in letter from readers
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    Quote Originally Posted by knitepoet View Post
    No Gene, but most dealers I know will run a serial# through the local PD before buying it, And in this state, pawn shops are SUPPOSED to

    Buford, is , "Not a HUGE risk, but one easily negated with 30 seconds worth of photo editing" that hard to understand?

    I didn't say it would, or even that it has. Doesn't mean it can't.

    There's a reason most firearm magazines X out some part of most serial numbers, especially in letter from readers
    That's illegal if it involves NCIC. Not saying they don't do it, but for the operator doing NCIC, it's a felony. Running a # will get you hundreds of hits. In my state, it's caveat emptor. Of course, checking with the local PD will get you information not related to NCIC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gene L View Post
    That's illegal if it involves NCIC. Not saying they don't do it, but for the operator doing NCIC, it's a felony. Running a # will get you hundreds of hits. In my state, it's caveat emptor. Of course, checking with the local PD will get you information not related to NCIC.
    Said NOTHING about NCIC, I said, and YOU EVEN QUOTED me saying, "..Will run the serial# through the local PD..."
    Quote Originally Posted by Seven habits of highly effective pirates
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    Re: 686 locking up

    Quote Originally Posted by JKP View Post
    Going to see about tightening ejector rod then go from there.

    Special too for grabbing it?
    Nope, should hand tighten just fine but if it's loose you might want to consider some type of thread locker on it, just not a permanent one.
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