http://www.examiner.com/article/citi...nt-of-election
Interesting. But even if there was a recount and Romney ended up winning, it would change nothing. Unless there is a way to cheat in the Electoral College."In one county alone in Ohio, which was a battleground state, President Obama received 106,258 votes...but there were only 98,213 eligible voters. It's not humanly possible to get 108% of the vote," the petition says.
“Not everyone is willing to embrace liberty; liberty requires not just effort, but risk. Some people choose to delude themselves and see their chains as protective armor.”
If I understand the electoral college correctl, they don't actually cast their ballots until December.
Only the optimists suggest that the future is uncertain. The pessimists have done the math.
I believe you are correct. But in many states the electors pledge their vote long before they actually cast it. And in other states it is an all or nothing along with the popular vote. So I suppose that if voter fraud were a factor in those all or nothing states it could change the outcome of the election. I suppose I should have put two and two together for four when I wrote the OP instead of coming up with five.Originally Posted by FiveSeven
“Not everyone is willing to embrace liberty; liberty requires not just effort, but risk. Some people choose to delude themselves and see their chains as protective armor.”
I believe in most states the electors are chosen by the party that wins. For example, Kentucky voted for Romney, so the KY Republican party selects 8 electors to go to DC and cast their ballots, and believe me, they are all party loyalists. I've never heard of any hanky-panky, although it's bound to have happened at one time or another.
The electors selected are people like the Speaker of the House in the KY legislature, the head of the Republican/Democratic Party in Fayette County, etc. If these people go rogue, their careers are over!
Richard Hasen, a professor of political science and election law expert at the University of California, Irvine, says "I don't think there is a mature democracy that has as bad of an elections system as we do." He goes on to say: "We have thousands of electoral jusrisdictions, we have non-professionals running our elections, we have partisans running our elections, we have lack of unifromity."
Well our system has been in place and functional for 235 years, and yes it may not be a perfect system but then again its all we have, and its been time tested and proven. We may not always like the end results but we have what we have until something more fair comes along which I doubt will.
Voter-impersonation fraud has attracted intense attention in recent years as conservatives,Republicans argue that strict voter ID laws are needed to prevent widespread fraud. On the other side Civil-rights and voting-rights activists condemn the ID laws as a way of disenfranchising minorities, students, senior citizens, and the disabled. Since 2010, 9 states have passed strict voter ID laws, South Carolina,Texas, Wisconsin, Tennessee, Kansas, Pennsylvania,Virginia, Mississippi and Alabama.
Most of the fraud problem the way I see it lies within the absentee ballots. Few laws regulate absentee ballots, although this is the most frequent instances of fraud. "It makes much more sense if you are trying to steal and election by either manipulating results on the back end through election official misconduct or to use absentee ballots, which are easier to control and to maintain," says Hasen.
Remember the group known as Association for Community Organization and Reform AKA (ACORN)? Voter ID supporters cite ACORN as evidence that fraud is a problem. The scandal resulted in at least 22 convictions in seven states and the collapse of the organization in 2010 after Congress and private donors pulled their funding.
The bottom line is both sides feel that voter-registration rolls/list, are outdated and should be cleaned up. Another problem is sometimes, felons, and non-citizens were not aware that they didn't have voting rights. Now I don't know if I can believe that or not, I mean heck how can a convicted felon not know he/she is not eligiable to vote? or a non-citizen? Many experts (who ever these folks are), agree the elections system is inefficient and that this leads to mistakes and clerical errors that are lumped under 'Voter Fraud."
"It is what it is"
How is it that voter id laws disenfranchise minorities?
“Not everyone is willing to embrace liberty; liberty requires not just effort, but risk. Some people choose to delude themselves and see their chains as protective armor.”
It makes it more difficult for the dummycraps to stuff the ballot box. To them, that's "disenfranchisement"- - - -just like any other precautions that try to keep them from stealing an election. In 2008, a busload of non-English-speaking "voters" with one translator showed up at four different polling places around Nashville Tennessee and were allowed to cast provisional ballots before phone calls by concerned citizens to a local talk radio station exposed what they were doing. The election commissioner for Davidson County (a dummycrap) refused to disallow the "votes" from being counted.
Jerry
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"I'm glad to be American. I'm proud that I am free. I wish I was a hound dog and Obama was a tree!"
We don't need to get to that granular level. 12+ million illegals in this country not enough to ASURE a significant amount voter fraud?
Obummer won the popular vote by about 3,000,000. By his latest action on the Defered Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) he just stopped deportation of an estimated 1.7 Million individuals and allowed them to get SS cards and IDs. Oh I'm SURE none of them (plus parents and family) figured out any way they could to vote for the guy that has NO interest in sending them packing. Let's face it, by breaking the law he bought himself enough votes to cinch the lection...
"Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
Charge the fraudulent voters with treason; try, convict, and execute by firing squad. Sends a message to them, and negates repeat offenders. Changing the outcome of an election by fraudulent voting should be just as treasonous as giving aid and comfort to an enemy. Make the punishment so severe that no one would dare do it. Miniguns and ammunition for them are in great supply so there is no excuse for there being too many fraudulent voters to handle. Set up the guns to fire by photocell and relay; let the first light of the sun take them out.
Dennis: "Oh, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you." Monty Python and The Holy Grail
Tennmike vampire hunter
Only the optimists suggest that the future is uncertain. The pessimists have done the math.
I do remember that story Teach, seems like it made National new too!
"It is what it is"
..And that is how Obama won in 2012. Has the substance for a good book doesn't it?
"It is what it is"
Well, they are blood sucking parasites that are taking down the country, aren't they???!!!!
Dennis: "Oh, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you." Monty Python and The Holy Grail
Just thought I'd drop this in here too from today: http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/po...ons-warehouse/
Almost 1K ballots found in Broward elections warehouse
"The supervisor of elections, Dr. Brenda Snipes, said this happens all the time, especially when dealing with paper ballots." Um, really? Granted 1000 out of 800,000 isn't THAT many, but I'd think a doctor might be able to figure this out...
But what about guys like Allan West? At approximatley midnight election day, he was ahead by about 2k votes. Then, suddenly, there was a 4k vote swing and he ended up losing by that amount. The election judge chalked it up to recounting early ballots.
Maybe the initial count of early ballots really was off by that much, but the whole matter needs to be investigated, and by a panel consisting of an equal number of democrats and republicans. To my knowledge, since the margin of victory is slightly more than .5%, it's not a requirement by Florida law that a recount be done. And, the only votes that have been recounted were the early votes.
West has filed a lawsuit asking for a recount. I hope he gets it. Even if the final tally still has him the loser, we will at last know that the election is valid.
So I'll grant you that Obama won fair and square, but there may be other races that may not be so up and up?
Jerry
The age of reason...when excuses become reasons.
The only way to beat the dummycraps is with about a 3:1 margin that they can't overcome with stolen votes.
Jerry
"I'm glad to be American. I'm proud that I am free. I wish I was a hound dog and Obama was a tree!"
I remember the news stories of Iraq's first election, with folks showing off their purple thumbs after the vote. Something like this, along with I.D. verification would stop virtually all fraud.
Maybe somebody might be able to vote fraudulently, but they'd only do so once.
Originally Posted by Slanteyedshootist: I didn't hear that. I was busy travelling faster than the speed of stupid.
Tim Mason
Not a bad idea cool, might just work, but do we have to use the color purple? I was thinking something along the lines of Chartreuse,or magenta
"It is what it is"
"It is what it is"
That only works when you don't have election officials substituting their previously filled out reams of ballots for the ones cast by the people. And electronic voting machines use a memory card to store the votes. Pretty easy to substitute the real card with a bogus memory card showing the preferred (by the election official's party) candidate won the election. The new voting machines facilitate fraud.
Dennis: "Oh, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you." Monty Python and The Holy Grail
I never said it was fair and square. Let's call it what it is. He BOUGHT the lection with handouts to Unions (GM and other bailouts + "green energy jobs"), handing out a path to American citizenship to MILLIONS of folks who are here illegally and in general promising more of the same for his second term. That's neither fair NOR square.
"Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
By 'fair and square', I meant that he legitimately got more votes the Romney. The way he got them is a whole 'nother discussion.
Jerry
The age of reason...when excuses become reasons.
Depends on how you define legitimate.
Only the optimists suggest that the future is uncertain. The pessimists have done the math.
"Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
JerryBobCo wrote:
Jerry allow me to be a tad on the funny and sarcastic side here with no pun or disrespect intended toward you. But to quote Billy Bob Clinton: " Now doesn't that depend on what your deffinition of "is" is?"The way he got them is a whole 'nother discussion.[/
"It is what it is"
I just used purple as the example. For that matter, it would be symbolic and likely less objectional to either party. Personally, I prefer fuschia.Not a bad idea cool, might just work, but do we have to use the color purple? I was thinking something along the lines of Chartreuse,or magenta
True enough. What I was getting at is individual voter fraud, but obviously widspread group efforts to defraud should be prosecuted with extreme predjudice as well!
Originally Posted by Slanteyedshootist: I didn't hear that. I was busy travelling faster than the speed of stupid.
Tim Mason
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