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Usey
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FN Five Seven
Usey
MemberPosts: 102 Member
Opinions? I want one bad but not willing to pay 2500+ for one to the price gougers on gun broker...anyone in the louisiana area know anyone looking to sell all shops in the baton rouge area are sold out...
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That's pretty much it's design purpose. A little pistol that renders body armor useless although civilians can't get the ammo that the gun was meant to fire. We know how that works though. My friend has one and I didn't care for it.
Hopefully all the ban stuff will not come to fruition and they will be available at more reasonable prices, if not those that got them new for a grand and took good care of them have some ammo hoarded up made a very good investment.
As this is the self defense section regarding if it is an effective gun in that scenario it is the gun the murderer at Ft. Hood used in his killing spree. It is also used by some "elite forces" around the world.
Seems that it is also used by the White House and president's secret service detail along the P90 PDW which uses the same ammo and that there is data on actual uses claiming that due to it's velocity, around 2300 FPS and that the round being around and inch long plus it tumbles in soft tissue it is a very effective attacker stopper, also that all that have been shot in vital areas have perished. Now it is without a doubt a toy looking plastic gun and that irritates a lot of folks.
For home defense I also vote for an AR pistol, concealment the AR pistol is huge! The FN 57 works for CCW much better and being so light comfortable.
There are those that claim that some of the civilian available ammo can penetrate armor and yes reloading could deal with that issue.
Well what I have read is that the P90 is a 50 yard head shot gun in the hands of folks that use them and practice for real life stuff and that the handgun can be a centermass 100 yard gun, there was an article on a gun magazine that also claimed that the handgun was "accurate" to 200 yards... I don't recall what their definition of accurate was.
So now that everybody's feeling all fast-ropey and tacti-cool, would this be a bad time to to bring up Elmer Keith's 600 yard mule deer kill, made with a S&W revolver?:roll:
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
Consistently? I've lucked hits into critters at some stupid ranges, but wouldn't bet money that I could do it again on request....
Was it an S&W or a Ruger, was it was chambered in Magnum 44?
The late Bob Munden on the TV show "Impossible Shots" made a 600 yard shot with I think a 44 magnum revolver, he shot at a metal target and a red balloon was placed on it to make the hit evident, not a lot of energy is required to pop a balloon and I am ignorant about this so I am asking, as the story goes Keith killed a Mule deer with the revolver round, does that round have the legs to do so at 600 yards, was it perhaps something loaded up so capable of this?
I shoot my Ruger 22/45 a lot at 25 yards, once at the 100 yard range an IPSC buddy kept making the statement that 22 LR was only accurate to 25 yards, I know this is not so as I make 1.5" groups all day long with my CZ 452 at 100 yards with bulk ammo so I figure give it a whirl, not having the CZ at hand I pulled out the 22/45 and took aim at an 8" plate set at a 100 yards, I am not a precision handgun shot by any means, but soon enough with bulk ammo and the aid of a rest I was hitting the plate 8 out of 10 times, I know that my FN 57 can be more accurate than my plain Ruger 22/45 so in the right hands a decent group at 100 yards with the FN ought to be doable, now doing so in the heat of the moment is another thing but some folks train for just that for a living on our pocket.
This guy at the range pretty much can hit the 8" plate at 100 yards with an HK P7 all day long, give him a gun he has never shot and he wont be able to do so off the back, another guy that makes one hole groups all day long with a precision rifle at 100 yards can't hit the side of a barn with a revolver!
It is more a matter of training and practice, lots of it and keeping this to one weapon pays off for some folks.
This sounds like fiction, still for entertainment I'll share. There this tale I heard on the local IPSC circle about a kid whose dad has deep pockets so he built a range at home for him to practice daily after school, dad provided him with 500 rounds per day, at a match he faced one of the top shooters on a man to man stage, al metal targets, first to clean his side wins and the kid told the RO to take down 2 of the poppers on the top shooter's side and still cleaned the floor on him.
On one fiction book I read it claim that some "special forces" types would shoot constantly for practice between 1000-2000 rounds with their main gun every week, doubt also that their weapons are off the rack, not necessarily a fact but I would not be surprised that not so far from reality maybe not capable of hitting a bumble bee on demand but guys at this level ought to make seriously small groups.
No doubt that hitting the target at that distance is doable, reinforced that when I mentioned that Bob Munden did a similar shot, question is if the 44 magnum round at that distance has the legs to take down the mentioned mule deer, many a time I read here that taking a shot at that distance and less at game with a RIFLE is not the responsible thing to attempt, at least for mere humans.
Jerry
I don't know where you're buying your ammo, but in Alaska it's only $80 for 50 rounds. Also Hornady signed a contract to start manufacturing 5.7x28mm because FN can't keep up with sales demands. Also there are three different types of ammunition for the Five-Seven. I know only one is available for civilians and the other two are military application only. The blue tipped rounds are civilian. I can't remember about the other two.
I was referring to the AP ammo...IIRC it was available for civilians for a short amount of time when first introduced, and then pulled... I am pretty sure I saw a few boxes of it out on the interwebs going for extremely high prices...I am fully aware that civilian/non AP (SS196/7) ammo is available...I was answering the question relating to why the weapon is not in its civilian form what the original designers intended.
And I had forgotten about the Hornaday thing, but since FN owns the patents to the design, I'm sure Hornaday will have to refrain from manufacturing the original "mil-spec" ammo or bullets...
Below is a link to a site still selling "Pre-ban" AP (SS190) ammo for the low, low price of $19.95-$24.95 per round...Or about $1000 for a box of 50....
http://www.ammo-one.com/5-7x28mm.html
Thanks.