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Dr. db
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Has armed response stopped a mass shooting?
Dr. db
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I believe Sen. Feinstein has said one of these things hasn't ever been stopped by an armed citizen. I know the arguments why not and why some don't care about her opinion. Do you have any personal knowledge or news stories that refute her statement?
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-Mikhail Kalashnikov
...the FBI changed it'd definition of "mass shooting" to 5 victims, leaving a gap between "double homicide", so if you really want to stretch it, technically, the answer is "Yes", but that discounts a large number of shootings stopped by armed civilians before the shooters, who apparently had "mass shooting" in mind managed to hit the FBIs new "magic number". Their "intent" was obvious, but they were stopped by an armed civilianas soon as they started shooting...
...the casualty avg. where a shooter has faced an armed civilian is 2.5, the avg. where no civilian intervened is 12...
...it basically amounts to Feinstein spewing "Typical Liberal Bull"...
I thought his was unarmed. On ether account, my respect meter is pegged.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_High_School_shooting
-Mikhail Kalashnikov
http://www.humanevents.com/2012/12/16/armed-civilians-really-do-capture-kill-or-otherwise-stop-mass-shooters/
The guy in the picture with the AR looks eerily like one of our forum members. :silly: :tooth:
― Douglas Adams
Ms Feinstein seems to be "choosing her facts carefully". What about the shooting at the church in Colorado Springs? I believe there was another case when an armed person held the shooter at gun point until police came. In a third case, in Mississippi, a student began shooting and a principal got his gun from his locked car and stopped it. But most of all of course not very many of these things were stopped by armed citizens BECAUSE CONGRESS MADE LAWS THAT MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE!!!! So the principal at Sandy Hook had to take on a shooter with nothing but fingernails. The Luby's Restaurant shooter wasnt confronted because at least one person who would have was required by law to keep her gun locked in her car! So Congress makes a law that says people, no matter how well trained or vetted, can't carry a gun on campus and then say no one has stopped a school mass shooting with a gun? By her logic, or lack thereof, the entire TSA should be disbanded because if hasn't stopped a single hijacking in progress. Some will point to Columbine and say that the officer didn't stop it in the parking lot. As i understand it he waited for SWAT because that was before the doctrine of individual response was adopted. It is like saying TSA didn't stop the 911 hijacking. Of course it didn't. It didn't exist then. I don't know whether carrying guns personally is something I want to do. It is a tremendous responsibility that I don't know if I am ready for but the emotion driven illogic is something that must be confronted because it causes legislatures to do stuff that won't work and then blame others. BTW the citizens in Alaska as portrayed in Yukon Men seem to use AR rifles for hunting a lot.
The gunman was shot by a church female security officer and was found dead when police arrived at the scene, said Colorado Springs Police Chief Richard Myers. There have been others, but this and the Mall shooting in OR or WA come to mind.
Politicians like Feinstein and other fail to acknowledge this because it does not support their agenda.
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Deputy-shoots-gunman-at-San-Antonio-movie-theater/2wFsix5ntU2CDrsHjXx2kQ.cspx
AKA: Former Founding Member
This is very true and is a BIG bunch of Liberal fertilizer for sure. They know it, but they're not giving in. Of course, there hasn't been one that stopped a "Mass Shooting" because as you said, if an armed good guy (or in the case of the incident in Colorado, Gal) is there, it never gets to be a "Mass Shooting" Because the armed good guy/gal, takes the shooter out before it gets into the masses.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
In light of your most recent reflections of your initial post.....Sen. Feinstein is incorrect. Mass shootings HAVE been stopped by an armed citizen......because it's usually been the citizen who initiated the mass shooting in the first place, that has taken their own life, therefore, ending the mass shooting...... yes?
I was following the logic until...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW27kyh7PVM
that one just supports the anti-'s argument that it's OK for cops to carry off duty..
You are one of them.