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samzheresamzhere Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
How do your protect your computer (and other electrical stuff) from bad juju? Here's my general situation, and I welcome all additions and suggestions:

Ground circuit is mandatory
First, you must have a decent ground. No surge protector can operate in a vacuum and it needs a good solid ground to bleed off spikes and other crud. If you live in an older house you may need to have a new 3-wire feed installed from the main breaker box, and grounded properly there. Newer homes may or may not have adequate ground. Just because there's a 3-wire outlet doesn't ensure there's a good ground behind it. Shabby contractors often "upgrade" an older place my installing 3-wire outlets but not grounding them, leaving the old 2-wire in place. This isn't only poor workmanship but also dangerous. Old 2-wire circuits still provide a neutral for ground but if re-wired into a new 3-prong receptacle, the neutral may be shunted off illegally and create a hazardous situation.

What to do? If you're an electrician or know what's up (as I do), you can either install a good solid ground yourself or have it done by a registered electrician. Renters need to encourage (or pay) the landlord to get this done. I was lucky in my new apartment. I removed the receptacle panels, tightened the screws, and got a good solid ground plus low current between ground and neutral. So the apartment was already wired okay. Whew.

Newbies can either buy a simple 3-wire circuit checker (plug it in and LEDs show the diagnosis) or use a "joltmeter" (voltmeter). In a standard 115vac 3-wire outlet, the round pin is ground (green wire, duh), the wider slot is neutral (white wire), and the narrow slot is phase (red or black wire). Between both slots you get 115vac, thereabouts. Between phase and ground, the same 115vac. Between neutral and ground, about 1-3 vac. This is normal for a genuine 3-wire circuit. If you get zero volts between ground and neutral, it may indicate that the neutral is tied directly to the ground lug inside the receptacle. This is illegal in most jurisdictions.

Anyway, regardless of whether you know your own stuff or get it done for you, you gotta have a solid ground first.

Power surge protection
I've relied on APC (American Power Conversions) for 20-30 years in commercial installations and they make the best, from simple surge protection strips to big units for huge installations. There are other good brands but I trust APC, and they're about the same price.

If you're getting a surge protector strip, don't just buy some dollar store off-brand for $4.95. You'll just be getting an outlet strip with a fancy label. Be sure the surge protector strip is certified for IEEE let-through of 300v or less, and that the unit is UL 1449 certified. Otherwise you're not getting protection.

Use these surge strips for your TV, stereo, any pricey appliances. Believe me, they work. I've had next door apartment neighbors whose TVs were fried during a big electrical hit on a nearby transformer. We all lost power but when it came back, my TV and stereo were fine, thank you. Only get IEEE 300v or less rating and UL 1449.

Now, if you simply need more outlets, but a couple of sturdy regular UL-approved 3-wire strips and plug those into your APC surge strips. Once it goes thru the surge protector, the power is fine to share.

Uninterruptible power supply (UPS)
Your regular computer should be connected to a top quality UPS box, preferable APC brand. Most of the top units have all sorts of fancy features, like auto-shutdown (which connect to your newer model PC and will automatically close it down in a bad situation). Mine has this feature but I don't use it.

Plug your laptop (or tower unit and monitor) into the UPS side of the system. Also plug any other small electrical accessories (modem, router, etc) into the UPS side. Use a 3-prong UL approved strip for extra outlets, but do NOT use a surge protector strip because this will interfere with your big UPS unit.

Plug your printers into the other side of the UPS box, the "surge protection" but not "battery protection" side. This is because printers (especially lasers) have a big startup surge and will usually cause a clamp-down on the UPS system.

What I do. I've got 2 APC UPS systems. The small one is in my living room and I plug my laptop into it, all the time. I don't carry my laptop around, I use it as a genuine "laptop" across my knees while I lounge in the recliner. Beneath is one of those little flat plastic "desks" with padding under. You've gotta put the laptop on a flat surface, not cloth, or it will overheat quickly. I keep my laptop plugged in. It's easier on the batteries and since I'm not carrying it around, the power cord isn't a drag.

I also have my wireless router plugged into the little APC UPS unit next to my living room work space. That, and my cellphone charger. So all my electronics are protected.

The TV and stereo are of course separately wired and use an APC surge strip for their power. That particular surge strip does, incidentally, have a coax in/out protector for my TV cable. Different surge protector models come with the appropriate cable TV in/out connections.

My printers are in the bedroom, connected to another small UPS box but just use the surge side (I already had the box). The LaserJet and DeskJet are both wrieless and operate off the wireless router.

Backup
I back up my working folders every day, sometimes more often, depending on whether I've just finished a big edit. I've got an "everyday" thumb drive and a "weekly" thumb drive, both 4Gb. At the end of a project I also burn a DVD.

But you gotta get used to grabbing that little thumb drive, sticking it in the USB slot, and performing a backup of your new stuff. Murphy's law says that the day you forget, that's the day your PC crashes.

Software
I use a Vista PC so Apple folks don't need apply... I've got a mid-size HP laptop with plenty of hard disk and RAM for my needs. I don't game and so I don't need a really fast system, just mid-speed and good quality. Regardless (a side note here), you'd be nuts to buy a laptop that does NOT have a separate Nvidia (or other brand) video board. If you buy a laptop that uses "shared" RAM for the video processor, you'll always regret its slowpoke behavior.

Okay, back to software... I have PC Tools AntiVirus, PC Tools Firewall, and ThreatFire Spyware protection. The Norton utilities are also good but the software I listed is free in their standard user form -- they have fancier software for sale, of course. Regardless of which brand, you MUST have an active, updated, and good quality antivirus AND firewall if you're gonna survive.

Another excellent package is the IOBit Advanced System Care package (the free version works great). You use it every few days to sweep your system for malware and junk files and it really speeds up things.

Okay, I've blown on long enough to irritate folks. But I wanted to share my experiences, backed up by oh, 30 years of computer experience. I have NEVER, NEVER had a virus attack or malware attack. I keep my defenses up and it helps to not surf weird porn sites about sheep or chickens (ha ha) or robot-like click on ANY attachment that some stranger posts. My email is set to NOT auto-activate links and to only display graphics if I click yes. That helps, believe me.

What is your setup? What protection, hardware and software, do you use? Good, bad war stories?

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  • centermass556centermass556 Posts: 3,618 Senior Member
    I am a fan of APC UPS...They make a smart UPS that will accept 100-240. This UPS solves all my electrical worries. On my Microsoft/PC based systems I use AVASt anti-virus. It is free and has never failed me.
    "To have really lived, you must have almost died. To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
  • ilove22silove22s Posts: 1,539 Senior Member
    i just have a Mac and its been 100% for me. even when during power drops.
    The ears never lie.

    - Don Burt
  • MichakavMichakav Posts: 2,907 Senior Member
    Redundant surge protectors and Kaspersky for me. Never any problems, porn and all.
  • mkk41mkk41 Posts: 1,932 Senior Member
    Surge protected power strips.
    Lightning protectors on the cable line.
    Free Norton package with Comcast.
  • samzheresamzhere Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    You're right about the bare wire being ground, cp. And yes, with standard house wiring these days, the neutral is bonded to earth/circuit ground at the breaker box, so there won't be much potential between neutral and ground at the receptacle. I was thinking of a genuine 3-wire system w. separate 4th wire as case ground (aka commercial or "hospital" style. Regular home stuff is simpler.

    You guys all seem to realize the value of having a decent antivirus and firewall software defense. But all of us have heard friends who had such a setup and "turned it off because it was too slow" and then gripe because some virus chewed up their files. Duh.
  • AntonioAntonio Posts: 2,986 Senior Member
    I have a plain desktop at work and my wife has a work laptop and her own laptop, all PCs. I've been using a free downloadable self-upgradeable antivirus program called AVG antivirus for maybe 8 years and so far no infection problems at all with the usual domestic and working internet use. Recommended by my brother, an Engineer who worked some years in the product development department of an international computer firm and now works in the European Space Agency (I strongly suspect that he's also a phone call away of replacing one of the guys in "The Big Bang Theory") , so he must know what he's talking about.
  • BufordBuford Posts: 6,724 Senior Member
    I have quality surge protectors even my coax cables are protected. I run Trend Micro Internet security with never a problem. I am my computers worst enemy, always trying to fix what ain't broke.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • samzheresamzhere Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Oops, cpj, I mistyped. I meant 1-3 millivolts, not volts, between neutral and ground on a true 3-wire circuit (where the neutral is separate from case ground). My bad.

    When we wired some large installations we set up "single point grounding" for protecting the computers, worked well when a huge electrical storm hit the area and be building we were in got fried by a massive lightning hit on the main transformer for the complex. Our fusible links on the primary 208v-3ph input line burst open as designed, bled themselves "to death" letting all the massive surge go to ground. Our contractor came by (free) the next day, checked the circuits after power was restored to the area by the light company, and he replaced the fusible breakers, and we were up and running, zero damage. All our neighbors had their electronics fried, because the storm fed the strike right into the ground circuits of the mains.

    What happened was, and this only occurs if you're spread out over maybe an entire floor of an office, electrical installers will put in a breaker box at the near site where your, say, north wing is, another breaker where the south wing is, and will run a hard ground to building steel at each point.

    Problem is, during a big lightning strike, the ground itself acts as a capacitor, and surges travel through the ground. Although the circuit in the building wiring travels at the speed of light (or near it through wire), the ground surge is a bit slower since the ground is being a big capacitor. So, from say, north side to south side of a large building, the ground potential will be different by sometimes 100 volts during a strike. And the difference in this will cause the "extra" voltage to travel up the building steel and feed straight into that nice tight ground wire in the breaker box, sending a big surge through the ground wires of the electronics, often frying them. Instead of the ground wire being a bleed-off, it becomes a feed source.

    So with single point grounding, you run true 4-wire circuits to your equipment (phase, neutral, actual circuit ground wire, plus a 4th bare case ground for the boxes. Case ground doesn't contact circuit ground except at one single place, the main breaker, where you then establish only ONE hard ground to building steel. More expensive but your equipment doesn't fry, either. And I'm not just talking PCs, but high end Unix workstations and gas chromatographs, and maybe even a scanning electron microscope. Money money money.
  • BigDanSBigDanS Posts: 6,992 Senior Member
    After being in the technology service field for 29 years, here's what I recommend for windows users:

    UPS on every network device. Switches, routers, modems MUST be on UPS. Cat5e wiring at a minimum.

    Every desktop and server ona UPS. In my home I have seven UPS's. Why? I worked for the power company for ten years in their technology department, and in Florida power is the worst, whether it's brown outs or spikes, power is bad bad bad.

    Steady power to all devices is THE foundation for reliable service, along with good CAT5e cables and a decent switch.

    Second I use AVG on home desktops but I am considering AVAST. ALL commercial dektops run Symantic. Why? they aren't the best or the cheapest, but they are the widest used and supported.

    We utilize a wide variety of backups both local and remote. We prefer MOZY for network backups for small business.

    I could go on and on, and with over 1000 installations the most important aspect of all installations is steady power, second good anti virus, and third CONFIRMED WORKING backup. I am willing to bet 50% of you THINK you are backing up your stuff but you haven't checked it in a long time and it actually is NOT working.

    IMHO.

    D
    "A patriot is mocked, scorned and hated; yet when his cause succeeds, all men will join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain
    Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
  • NNNN Posts: 25,236 Senior Member
    Surge protected power strip and Norton.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Here in Oregon, you are required to have at the main circuit breaker box, a neutral bar and a ground bar, that's what I was instructed to do by Oregon Inspectors, it is the same in New York City, they also require a ground bar driven straight into the ground not more than six feet from the breaker box.

    Perhaps there is some potential for lightning damage through the ground, but I feel the risk is tiny as must the folks at NEMA.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    "I could go on and on, and with over 1000 installations the most important aspect of all installations is steady power, second good anti virus, and third CONFIRMED WORKING backup. I am willing to bet 50% of you THINK you are backing up your stuff but you haven't checked it in a long time and it actually is NOT working.

    IMHO.

    D

    A big meh & woof, I have been a messin around computers since the daze of the pencil card readers, it all depends how important the work you are doing is to you, if the work is more than e-mail and web surfing, I am sure the user will use backup of the best ilk possible.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • BigDanSBigDanS Posts: 6,992 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    "ID

    A big meh & woof, I have been a messin around computers since the daze of the pencil card readers, it all depends how important the work you are doing is to you, if the work is more than e-mail and web surfing, I am sure the user will use backup of the best ilk possible.

    By far, the most valuable thing in every computer installation is the data. What would you do to restore 4 years of family photos? How about 10 years of customer data and information? Years worth of CAD drawings?

    Today you can buy a smokin' hot PC for $700, or laptop. Yet people forget to value thier time and effort in creating the data.

    I have an architect client, whose office was on the third story of a three story building. He took his backups offsite like I recommended. They were re-roofing his building when the tar pot caught on fire and so did the roof. It destroyed his office, but in two days time we had him fully up and running in a new location with no data loss. I have lots of stories, like the engineers at FPL in 1989 that spent two years working on drawings for a plant when their hard drive crapped out and they lost everything because they had no backups. ( those guys got fired ).

    I agree that your casual data does not require a backup, but for most users they undervalue their data, significantly.

    In my humble, but expert opinion (IMHBEO) ;)

    D
    "A patriot is mocked, scorned and hated; yet when his cause succeeds, all men will join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain
    Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
  • samzheresamzhere Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Big, you're right, backups are no better than the testing of their quality. I've got 3-4 thumb drives for backup. I use one for photos and add to it after new pics are taken. Another is a 2nd backup of current data, about once a week, and the primary is daily.

    And yes I do check the data on the drives to ensure that the data is actually there.

    One small point about surge protectors or UPS. Most folks think that is only effective when there's a visible lightning storm outside, or if the power goes out. But those of us who've worked with electrical systems, all you need to do is put a scope or other realtime monitor on ANY regular house current and you'll see spikes and glitches coming along all the time, stuff that regular circuit breakers never catch, designed as they are only for human safety. All those little spikes tunnel into your computer chips and age them, bit by bit. A TV or stereo or any other electronic item, not just your computer, needs to have a good quality surge protector. Its life will really be extended.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Noise of all types will always be present in one form or another, the signal strength is usually so low as not to damage or age anything.
    Damage occurs when a voltage spike is so high that damage is instantaneous not cumulative.

    Edited to add: most semiconductor failure is due to contamination during manufacture, hence why Computers can run so many years without a failure in spite of the population of so many Large scale integrated circuits.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • samzheresamzhere Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Good point, cpj. It's the data that's valuable, not the hardware. I just ran a backup a while ago, saving the latest versions of my writing. Not that it's valuable...
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    I think your efforts at writing are, and when you lose a few books from a hardware ruined HD, the pain generated is enough to age you quickly several decades worth.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
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