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Easter Pig!

ZeeZee Senior MemberPosts: 24,014 Senior Member
Well, last year I took my daughter pig hunting on Easter and we got a 285lb and 120lb pig with the XP-100 in .260 Remington. This Easter, I took BOTH kids out hog hunting.

A rancher friend of mine mentioned that he was having hog problems again. But, the hogs had gone totally nocturnal because of pressure. Hmmmmmmmmm...........I have a solution for things that only come out at night.

We set up on the edge of an oat field right at dusk. The field stretched for 375 yards long and about 75 yards wide. Our position would give us control of the entire field.

The deer came out as the sun set. But, that was all until about 9:30, when a descent size boar walked out into the field.

I had already made a range card of the field as the sun set. The boar walked out at the 250 yard mark. Watched him for a few minutes to see if any other hogs came out with him. Seeing none and not wanting to marry the entire night........I waited until he turned broadside and..................."DINK!"

I heard the impact and saw his front end slump to the ground. His back end plowed him forward for about 20 yards until he came to a stop at the edge of the field.

Looked over at the kids and asked, "Do you guys want to wait and see if more eventually come out?"

"NO!!!!! We want to go see him!!"

So, we packed up and went to retrieve out Easter Pig.

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He turned out to be a good eater size boar of about 180-200 pounds.

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I love hunting with my kids!

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Yes, in case you're wondering.......I cheated a little.

But, it was a chance to test a new piece of kit.

We loaded him up and took him home.

Here's your chance to bail. 'Cause it's about to get graphic.

I was using Hornady TAP .308 Winchester 168gr A-Max. The following is a fair example why I absolutely LOVE A-Max bullets for their terminal performance. For those who think they are only a match round and have no hunting use..............step inside my world.
"To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    Again, 250 yards with a .308 Winchester using Hornady TAP 168gr A-Max in the dark!

    POI

    308Win168grA-Maxentranceon200lbhog3.jpg

    Entrance to Shoulder

    308Win168grA-Maxentranceon200lbhog8.jpg

    Exit Through On Side Shoulder

    308Win168grA-Maxentranceon200lbhog10.jpg

    Entrance to Chest Cavity

    308Win168grA-Maxentranceon200lbhog15.jpg

    Entrance from On Side into Chest Cavity (broke 2 ribs)

    308Win168grA-Maxentranceon200lbhog.jpg

    308Win168grA-Maxentranceon200lbhog2.jpg

    Exit Through Heart

    308Win168grA-Max200lbhogorgans.jpg

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    308Win168grA-Max200lbhogorgans6.jpg

    Exit Off Side Ribs

    308Win168grA-Maxexiton200lbhog18.jpg

    308Win168grA-Maxexiton200lbhog16.jpg

    Entrance to Off Side Shoulder

    308Win168grA-Maxexiton200lbhog10.jpg

    Broke Shoulder Bone

    308Win168grA-Maxexiton200lbhog15.jpg

    That's below the scapula and that sucker was the size of two fingers and stout!
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    Exit Through Off Side Shoulder

    308Win168grA-Maxexiton200lbhog1.jpg

    The bullet was lodged under the hide on the off side. A nice mushroom with the bottom portion of the lead core still inside the jacket.

    308Win168grA-Maxthrough200lbhogat250yrds.jpg

    I'll get it cleaned up and weigh the remainder of the bullet.

    Either way, it went through thick hide/shield/thick muscle/rib/heart/2 ribs/thick muscle/thick leg bone/thick muscle/shield/and stopped in the thick hide.

    Along the way, it created extensive hydrostatic damage and perminent cavity wounds. Toasting the heart and damaging the lungs. Held together while shedding weight and came to rest on the off side. I can't ask for better performance from a medium game bullet!

    Who says they aren't for hunting? Oh, right..........people who have never used them.

    I like A-Max!
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    Great report and good shooting! Your kids are very fortunate to have a daddy that teaches them all these things.

    One question: I've noticed that you take shoulder shots a lot. I understand this with large tough game animals, but with whitetails or feral hogs, why not a heart shot (maybe with a softer bullet?), and save the shoulder meat? My experience (much less than yours) has been that they never make it far enough to present a tracking problem Just curious.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    Great report and good shooting! Your kids are very fortunate to have a daddy that teaches them all these things.

    One question: I've noticed that you take shoulder shots a lot. I understand this with large tough game animals, but with whitetails or feral hogs, why not a heart shot (maybe with a softer bullet?), and save the shoulder meat? My experience (much less than yours) has been that they never make it far enough to present a tracking problem Just curious.

    Thanks.

    That was a heart shot. If you see in a couple of the pics, the bullet went right through the middle of the heart. I wanted to drop him as fast as possible since it was in the dark and a ways away.

    Behind the shoulder (lungs) would have allowed him to run a ways and been hard to locate the exact location of him standing and the subsequent trail.

    Through the shoulders and heart broke one major bone and destroyed the heart. I was hoping to drop him, but he still made it 20 yards.

    A high shoulder shot ruins more meat in my experience. A low shoulder (heart) usually doesn't.

    The A-Max is a pretty soft and rapidly expanding bullet. Not known as a great penetrator, but as you can see.........did well enough.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 8,111 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    Either way, it went through thick hide/shield/thick muscle/rib/heart/2 ribs/thick muscle/thick leg bone/thick muscle/shield/and stopped in the thick hide.

    Along the way, it created extensive hydrostatic damage and perminent cavity wounds. Toasting the heart and damaging the lungs. Held together while shedding weight and came to rest on the off side. I can't ask for better performance from a medium game bullet!

    Who says they aren't for hunting? Oh, right..........people who have never used them.

    I like A-Max!

    Judging by the above penetration, you couldn't expect any more performance than you are getting.

    I know he only travelled about 20 yds, but was there any bloodtrail if he had made it further ( if his shoulder had not been destroyed)
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,096 Senior Member
    Nicely done mi hermano :worthy:
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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    IMHO, that's about as perfect a hit as you could get on a pig and I'm pretty impressed with the amount of damage that round caused even after it blew through the entry side shoulder. I don't think there's a premium hunting round out there that could do any better.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
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  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 12,635 Senior Member
    *sigh*, I am watching snow melt, that looks like way more fun, glad the kids got to play with dad, nice hog.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,153 Senior Member
    Nice pig, and great work with that A-Max. When I shoulder hit that deer with one this year, I was amazed by the damage that bullet did as it plowed through.

    Looking forward to a pig hunt soon myself.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,495 Senior Member
    No surprises from either the shooter or the bullet-Congrats!
    I know the kids had to enjoy their time with you.
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • shootershooter Senior Member Posts: 1,186 Senior Member
    Great report and nice pig. The a-max and SST's seem to be the same bullet, except for the cannelure. I've never sectioned one to see how thick/thin the jacket is for each.

    This spring when we have our first bench rest shoot, I'm going to put that very question to some of the Hornady folks who come from Nebraska to attend our shoots. I'm's anxious to pick Lonnie Hummel or Joe Thielen's brain on that.
    There's no such thing as having too much ammo, unless you're on fire or trying to swim!
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    Thanks.

    That was a heart shot. If you see in a couple of the pics, the bullet went right through the middle of the heart. I wanted to drop him as fast as possible since it was in the dark and a ways away.

    Behind the shoulder (lungs) would have allowed him to run a ways and been hard to locate the exact location of him standing and the subsequent trail.

    Through the shoulders and heart broke one major bone and destroyed the heart. I was hoping to drop him, but he still made it 20 yards.

    A high shoulder shot ruins more meat in my experience. A low shoulder (heart) usually doesn't.

    The A-Max is a pretty soft and rapidly expanding bullet. Not known as a great penetrator, but as you can see.........did well enough.

    OK, makes sense. I was thinking of a quartering shot on a whitetail, I guess. But you're right. A straight broadside would require a low shoulder shot to center the heart, on a pig.
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,165 Senior Member
    Read the title and thought the bunny finally got replaced....

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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    orchidman wrote: »
    I know he only travelled about 20 yds, but was there any bloodtrail if he had made it further ( if his shoulder had not been destroyed)


    Honestly, I didn't even look for a blood trail. Sorry.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    knitepoet wrote: »
    Nicely done mi hermano :worthy:

    Thanks!
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    CHIRO1989 wrote: »
    *sigh*, I am watching snow melt, that looks like way more fun, glad the kids got to play with dad, nice hog.

    Thanks.

    Disadvantage to having no winter is the mosquito population is atrocious!
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    AMax bullets suck. I mean, really. A proper hunting bullet would do a much better job.
    I've never used the AMax .

    Exactly.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    Nice pig, and great work with that A-Max. When I shoulder hit that deer with one this year, I was amazed by the damage that bullet did as it plowed through.

    Looking forward to a pig hunt soon myself.

    I know some prefer less damage, though I'm not sure why. But, I'm of the mind that destruction equals death. I want as much destruction as deep as it needs to go. The A-Max are doing that for me.

    The buck my friend shot with my 6.5-284 this year was another perfect example. From straight on chest to lodging in from of the ham, that 6.5 A-Max left a path of destruction 3/4 the way through that deer.

    This is why I'm pretty much switching to A-Max in all my hunting guns.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    shooter wrote: »
    Great report and nice pig. The a-max and SST's seem to be the same bullet, except for the cannelure. I've never sectioned one to see how thick/thin the jacket is for each.

    I'm not sure. There appears to be a difference in the ogive as well. But, I could be wrong.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 8,148 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    Thanks.

    That was a heart shot. If you see in a couple of the pics, the bullet went right through the middle of the heart. I wanted to drop him as fast as possible since it was in the dark and a ways away.

    Behind the shoulder (lungs) would have allowed him to run a ways and been hard to locate the exact location of him standing and the subsequent trail.

    Through the shoulders and heart broke one major bone and destroyed the heart. I was hoping to drop him, but he still made it 20 yards.

    A high shoulder shot ruins more meat in my experience. A low shoulder (heart) usually doesn't.

    The A-Max is a pretty soft and rapidly expanding bullet. Not known as a great penetrator, but as you can see.........did well enough.

    Very nice shot. As always, great to see the kids joining you. I have always been blown away by how low in the chest the vitals are in those pigs. It seems with deer and other bigger mammals, a little higher and further back is where you need to be to get the heart, but with pigs, low is the way to go.
    Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    Thanks.

    They do tend to have a lower and more forward vital zone.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    shooter wrote: »
    Great report and nice pig. The a-max and SST's seem to be the same bullet, except for the cannelure.

    If there truely IS a difference in the jacket thickness between the two........I WISH Hornady would make the SST without the cannelure!!!!!!!!!!
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,153 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    Thanks.

    They do tend to have a lower and more forward vital zone.

    Yep. A lot of the tales of "bulletproof" pigs is based on the anatomy of a pig:



    The heart is further forward and lower than most people expect. same with the neck and spine.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    Bingo. Thanks for posting that.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • AiredaleAiredale Banned Posts: 624 Senior Member
    Nice, good to see the kids there!
    You gonna try to eat that big pig??
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    Yep. He's quartered and in the cooler letting ice melt through it for a couple days.

    Ill eat them up to about 250-300 pounds. Really just depends on the hog. Sows, yes. Boars.......if they are all rank, scarred, **** filled and such........no.

    Im going to grind this one up and mix it with some antelope meat I need to grind. Should taste alright.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    shooter wrote: »
    Great report and nice pig. The a-max and SST's seem to be the same bullet, except for the cannelure. I've never sectioned one to see how thick/thin the jacket is for each.

    This spring when we have our first bench rest shoot, I'm going to put that very question to some of the Hornady folks who come from Nebraska to attend our shoots. I'm's anxious to pick Lonnie Hummel or Joe Thielen's brain on that.

    I've shot exactly one hog with a Hornady Interlock in my 8x57 and it killed it grave yard dead with one shot. No doubt, Hornady makes some great bullets.
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  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 8,111 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    I've shot exactly one hog with a Hornady Interlock in my 8x57 and it killed it grave yard dead with one shot. No doubt, Hornady makes some great bullets.

    23,570 owners of 270's 'disliked' this post on facebook...............
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • JayJay Senior Member Posts: 3,860 Senior Member
    I don't see anything wrong with the performance of the Amax on that hog, that's for sure. Looks like it was a great hunt. Thanks for sharing. :up:

    That might just motivate me to take a trip up the mountain in the next few weeks and see if I can find one of the hogs that's leaving all that sign up there. I need to do some looking around anyway, in case I get lucky and draw an elk tag. I have yet to see a hog up there, but I've seen sign all over.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    I've heard of pigs being up there. But, I've never seen any.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
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