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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    Here ya go, Snake:

    http://www.hornady.com/store/308-Win-168-gr-FPD/?mobile_state=full

    Oh, and they don't recommend it for hunting? Then why are they advertising the A-Max for hunting here on their site?

    http://www.hornady.com/team-hornady/scrapbook/wyoming-hunt-bea-morse
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    Here is an advertisement for their 140gr 6.5cal A-Max and hunting that Hornady has on their site.

    http://www.hornady.com/team-hornady/scrapbook/deer-hunt-rosie?mobile_state=full

    Hell, here's one for the lowly 6mm A-Max bullet!

    http://m.hornady.com/team-hornady/scrapbook/my-best-ever-buck-ernie-parsons
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    178gr .30cal A-Max being recommended for hunting on the Hornady site.

    http://m.hornady.com/store/30-Cal-.308-178-gr-A-MAX/

    208gr .30cal A-Max being recommended for hunting on their site.

    http://m.hornady.com/store/30-Cal-.308-208-gr-A-MAX/

    I could go on.

    Seems that, even though Hornady doesn't recommend the A-Max for hunting, quite a few of their customers do. So, Hornady doesn't seem to mind capitalizing on their success and using them as advertisements.

    So, something not designed for hunting and something that Snake feels we should not condone because it was not designed for that purpose.............Hornady doesn't seem to mind condoning such actions on their very own site.

    So, guess ill follow Hornady's lead and condone the use of particular A-Max bullets for hunting.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Does it have a Hollow Point? Even if the jacket is thicker it should expand better with a hollow point.

    It has a polymer tip. Just like the Nosler Ballistic Tip.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    How many animals do you think a company shoots before releasing a hunting bullet? How extensive do you think their post mortem tests are in the field?

    I don't know how much game Hornady Techs or other Hornady personnel shoot with their designated hunting bullets, but I see them hunting with their products to both promote them for sale and also to insure they will perform. However, with the A-Max, they told me that they don't hunt with them or expansion test them and they don't advertise them as hunting bullets because as the Tech Rep says, they don't intend them for hunting. It's intended as a long range target bullet. That's what they told me. If you don't believe me, call em yourself.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    Here is what Hornady has to say about the 168gr .30cal A-Max bullet.

    "The 168 gr. A-MAX® bullet is a traditional match grade bullet with the performance advantages of a polymer tip. This match grade bullet demonstrates an increase in penetration and retained weight over the 155 gr. A-MAX® bullet. Barrier performance is exemplary and this load demonstrates controlled and impressive soft tissue expansion providing the ability to stop a target "right NOW." The Hornady® 168 gr. A-MAX® TAP Precision® offers industry leading all-around performance for law enforcement precision marksmen."

    http://www.hornadyle.com/products/rifle-ammunition/308-win-tap/168-gr-a-max-tap-precision

    Apparently, they have done expansion tests and recommend it for soft tissue.

    http://www.hornadyle.com/products/ri...-tap-precision
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    I don't know. I never said a rep told me they were thin. I know a lot of match bullets or more conventional match bullets have fairly thin jackets. But according to Hornady, the Amax has a thicker jacket, which may be why you get away with killing a lot of game with it. Does it have a Hollow Point? Even if the jacket is thicker it should expand better with a hollow point. Call them yourself and see what they tell you. One thing I do know is the reason they won't recommend it for hunting is because they have never done expansion tests.

    Tech rep says the A-Max jacket it thinner than the SMK and thinner than the Nosler BT but the same thickness as the Hornady BTHP Match bullet.

    He said that they do expansion tests through gel and barriers for LE purposes (as I linked to above) but, not into animals. Reason being, it is not marketed as a hunting round. However, the terminal ballistics from tests would indicate a dramatic result and therefore it is marketed for LE usage.

    So, they are cool with you killing people with them and suggest that the effect will be immediate. So, I agree with what Ernie said earlier that flesh is flesh.

    This is not a theory.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 4,960 Senior Member
    Once again this is what they told me.
    and again, as long as it works, use it.

    JAY


    jaywapti wrote: »
    All this got me thinking about jacket thickness, so i called Sierra & Hornady, both said that the jackets on V-MAX, A-MAX & MK, have thinner jackets, even on the lo-drag and VLD that have much higher rotational speeds than so called standard twists. Match bullets are held to a closer tolerance than hunting bullets ( but we already knew that ) As far as i'm conserned i dont care what one uses as long as tries his best to make a quick kill.

    Oh yeah damn nice hog.

    JAY
    THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    Where did ya go, Snake? Give up on this conversation?
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    By the way, the Hornady Rep advised me that I can expect reliable expansion on tissue down to around 1,700 fps. So, in theory, as long as you can retain a velocity of 1,700 fps or above, it should effectively expand and provide adequate terminal performance.


    They said it, not me.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 7,950 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    By the way, the Hornady Rep advised me that I can expect reliable expansion on tissue down to around 1,700 fps. So, in theory, as long as you can retain a velocity of 1,700 fps or above, it should effectively expand and provide adequate terminal performance.


    They said it, not me.

    But the real question is do you feel better now? Well, do you?

    I don't have a dog in this fight, but am wondering if they would make the .270 effective on anything larger than a coyote.
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    JerryBobCo wrote: »
    But the real question is do you feel better now? Well, do you?

    I don't have a dog in this fight, but am wondering if they would make the .270 effective on anything larger than a coyote.

    im just putting out the information and attempting to dispell myths.

    As to the .270.............I'm not sure WHAT would actually make that cartridge effective on anything other than a coyote.


    :-)
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 7,950 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    im just putting out the information and attempting to dispell myths.

    As to the .270.............I'm not sure WHAT would actually make that cartridge effective on anything other than a coyote.


    :-)

    Well, when you find a bullet that will make the .270 effective on something larger than a coyote, please share. :)
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    JerryBobCo wrote: »
    Well, when you find a bullet that will make the .270 effective on something larger than a coyote, please share. :)

    Well, I can tell you, that a 7mm bullet in a .270 case will make it effective. Preferably, a 162gr A-Max bullet.

    ;-)
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    All I'm getting at here is when a manufacturer says something is designed for a specific purpose then I don't believe we should advertise it for other use.

    Hornady does.

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    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • wildgenewildgene Senior Member Posts: 1,036 Senior Member
    ..."thin skinned game"???

    ...hmmmm, liberals are notoriously "thin skinned"...

    ...I wonder if Hornady is sending a subliminal message here...
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,014 Senior Member
    Ha!
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
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