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N454casull
Posts: 690 Senior Member
I have been here along time, since I was in college and yes thats been a long time ago. I have been here almost the longest, when the old forum was up I went through one day and all I could find were 2 people that had been here longer than me. I read the forum everyday at least once.
Now there have been some changes, Dan is gone and I am sad about that very much so, but he is gone and so is Scott he made a choice weather it was a good one a bad one or in between he is gone. Neither one is coming back let them go. We don't need to forget them but we need to move forward.
LOL, I know I just said leave the past in the past but there is stuff going on here that never would have made it before small things like curse words as well as changing letters to bypass the auto censor this my friends this is no good. But there is other things as well do you really think the "sons of guns" thread would have made it this long a year ago?
Is Sons of Guns a good show, nope don't care for it myself. Do they do cool stuff on there, not really. Do I think it's a good idea for G&A to team with them, not at all! But they did so be it. But are a few desicions by G&A gonna bring this forum down, I hope not.
To the new guy, you have huge shoes to fill good luck I wouldn't want your spot. Tread lightly but do what you gotta do. Share your knowledge and experiances with us. The reason some people on here are so well thought of is that over time we have come to know that they are good guys and that they know what their talking about. We don't know you and that's not your fualt but it is your fualt if we never get to know you.
Truthfully I always laugh when people say "I'm gonna leave...." I don't think I will ever leave but I might not be around near as much if this degrades much more. I think we all need to take a step back regroup and get going back in the right direction.
I don't mean to offend anyone of step on any toes and I hope I did a good job of saying how I feel, its just something I have been thinking about for a few days and thought I would write it down.
Neil
Now there have been some changes, Dan is gone and I am sad about that very much so, but he is gone and so is Scott he made a choice weather it was a good one a bad one or in between he is gone. Neither one is coming back let them go. We don't need to forget them but we need to move forward.
LOL, I know I just said leave the past in the past but there is stuff going on here that never would have made it before small things like curse words as well as changing letters to bypass the auto censor this my friends this is no good. But there is other things as well do you really think the "sons of guns" thread would have made it this long a year ago?
Is Sons of Guns a good show, nope don't care for it myself. Do they do cool stuff on there, not really. Do I think it's a good idea for G&A to team with them, not at all! But they did so be it. But are a few desicions by G&A gonna bring this forum down, I hope not.
To the new guy, you have huge shoes to fill good luck I wouldn't want your spot. Tread lightly but do what you gotta do. Share your knowledge and experiances with us. The reason some people on here are so well thought of is that over time we have come to know that they are good guys and that they know what their talking about. We don't know you and that's not your fualt but it is your fualt if we never get to know you.
Truthfully I always laugh when people say "I'm gonna leave...." I don't think I will ever leave but I might not be around near as much if this degrades much more. I think we all need to take a step back regroup and get going back in the right direction.
I don't mean to offend anyone of step on any toes and I hope I did a good job of saying how I feel, its just something I have been thinking about for a few days and thought I would write it down.
Neil
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I have come here with an open mind and read all of the threads and posts that I could. I am and will take a stand on Scott's name being used in reference to anything other than a pleasant goodbye or memory. I think we owe him that. All of us.
That does in no way mean I'm banning people at a whim or am heavy handed or vindictive. I'd like to be accepted here and, in fact, I think it's intregal to my success in my current position. So, I will do what I think is best in every situation and listen to you guys as much as possible. I will never intentionally change this forum from what it is now. I hope that folks can trust that this is an honest statement.
Not sure what else I can say to ensure you all, but I'll work hard to change your minds and do things right.
Got questions about who I am or what I think? Ask them and I'll be happy to answer.
Boss,
I think you misunderstood what Teach was saying with that comment. Nobody has or ever will badmouth Scott. He was well liked by all here. Not a bad thought ever given towards him. You simply misunderstood the post and reacted. You are defending Scott (which is admirable) when he didn't need to be defended and in doing so, overreacted with your post. Scott was our friend.
Have you gotten with the Moderators yet? Like you mentioned you were planning to?
Y'all came in at a tough time. Some of the members - myself included - might be described as "Crotchety" about certain things. Some of us have been places and seen and experienced things that give us a perspective about what constitutes an honest portrayal of a sincere shooting fraternity, and what constitutes the very worse of "reality" tv.
I consider myself to be just like many here who take a hard stance against poor gun handling the willingness to have the public accept it as typical. That's why I've never tuned the television to this program that has so many up in arms - to pardon the pun. I've watched one episode of Top Shot and found it interesting and more reality based, but it's not my cup of tea either.
Those of us who are serious shooters/hunters and gun enthusiasts, don't want to see our sport turned into a circus that the public can ridicule, or that attracts the type of shooter most often found on Youtube videos nearly killing the neighbor's dog...or worse.
Mall Ninjas piss us off. We literally...viscerally, detest them and what damage they can do to our legacy and it's a legacy that we've put a lot of time and effort into creating. We want "serious" members of the fraternity to carry shooting sports into the foreseeable future, as some of use have suddenly realized that our tenure as tribal elders has its limits. Dan's passing sort of brought that home for a few of us.
Now, I'm not what you'd call a gun writer. Dan J. was kind enough to think enough of my writing and reason, to introduce me to Dave Arnold back about a decade ago. I was able to sell 4 feature articles to Handguns Magazine and Gun's & Ammo before I simply stopped out of boredom. Many of the long time readers, like me, started started to understand that "Combat Accuracy" was simply a nice way of saying that the gun didn't group all that well, or the writer spent more time at the computer than he or she did at the range. Either way, the gunwritin' business seemed to be heading in a direction that long-time shooters weren't willing to invest in anymore.
Print magazines are gonna die. I suppose the people who are looking to the shooting future, are sort of waiting for some of us to die as well. It's like when Scootertrash was trying to mentor a young guy about things that were "important" and knew he didn't have a lot of time left to 'get-er-done'.
SO, While I understand that you are not necessarily in an enviable position to "influence" the Sons-of-Guns direction, you are - evidently - in a position to let someone know they've done both shooters and critical thinkers a disservice when they step in it. We aren't stupid and our hackles are seriously raised when someone tries to make us feel that way.
Regards
Dan Chamberlain
I have gotten with moderators and we are starting a blog with Paul Youngblood and Mike Price, as well as bringing on Jerry Lee at the end of the month to take over Dan's position.
Agreed. My point was more that his name didn't belong in the Sons of Guns conversation. But agreed nonetheless. This can be a frustrating place for a new guy. I'll admit I let it get to me a few times already.
I like Jerry Lee. He bought some of my stuff.
Dan
Understood, hope you stick around and give me a chance.
Dan,
That was all exceptionally well stated and I think you expressed the frustration most of us feel more than adequately.
In the SoG threads, it was stated by a few people that G&A is in the money making business and that they're gonna do things to make them more money. Sure they are in the money making business but they are also, supposedly, in the education business in many ways. Just because you can make a quick buck with a flash in the pan show, we all know (or at least pray) that SoG won't be around that long, doesn't mean that you should. This sort of show only serves to deepen the misconceptions that the general public has about firearms and their owners. There are still people out there who think that the sunsetting of the AWB allowed every Will & Jethro to run to Wal-Mart and buy a machine gun. My own brother-in-law is scared poopless of me because I am a gun owner and because of the image of gun owners he's had drilled into his soft little liberal head by the media, shows like SoG only serves to deepen that divide.
I'll agree that "Sons of" is pretty idiotic but I'm not persuaded that it's that harmful to the serious gun-owning community, same as that awful chopper-building show deters motorbike fans.
Bob also thank you for posting we do need to get this all out in the open and get acquainted I along with others have been here a very long time and have come to know and respect the people on this forum.
I don't post nearly as much as many on here but I read nearly all the post and not to many days go by that I am not on. I would like very much to see this forum continue in the same way it has since Dan came on board (before that it was a little out of hand) and Scott with out a doubt became an integral part also.
Speaking for myself I would like to get to know you better and hope to see your posts in the future and as we all have done a time or to too 2 tu it is good to set back ounce in awhile take a deep breath rethink what we would have written or write what you are thinking right then delete it and start over, have done that a time or two myself.
Thanks Bob and do start a thread that we can use to really get to know you and see who you are. Ron
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http://forums.gunsandammo.com/showthread.php?1320-Grow-up-and-grow-a-pair!
Ben, there are a few members here that have earned so much respect when they speak ALL listen and your moderators can tell you who. I ain't the smartest but I know when they call attention to somebody's actions most of us snap back into line. You can pretty much trust this forum to run within the rules (Dan drilled us in that). Some of us might stray but the senior members generally wil bring us back. Shotgunnershooter3 gave you a great analogy with the military rank ... we know NCOs are the backbone of our military ... and butter bars need to learn the ropes from them.
Edited to correct my inability to remember names ... :bang:
- George Orwell
His name is Ben.
Ben O'Brien...
Bream (I mean Earl) his name is Bob now buddy!!! :devil:
Sincerely,
Jerm (Jeremy)