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Another Hog and another A-Max Performance Base

ZeeZee Senior MemberPosts: 23,988 Senior Member
My best friend's birthday was this weekend so, I decided to take him hog hunting. This is the guy I went deer hunting with this year that took his first buck. He has shot a hog with me before, but it's been awhile.

Went to the place my kids and I got the last pig. The cattle had been released on the pasture I got that last one on, so the grass had been eaten down. Decided to hunt the cane edge and hope to catch them coming out.

We sat along the edge at dusk with my friends Lyman GP Rifle (formerly mine) until it got too dark to see with iron sights. Then, we switched gear and tactics. Still hunting along the cane edge, we could hear the hogs moving around in there grunting, squealing, and fighting. We stopped about where we figured they'd come out, waiting and listening to the ruckus.

Finally, a good boar popped out about 50 yards away. Looking at him quartering towards us in the moon light, I asked......"Head shot?" To which my friend replied......"Of course".

"DINK!"

The .308 Win whispered.

The boars head popped back, his butt hit the ground, and he slumped over to his right side. Back legs kicking for a moment, then all still. Walking up to the hog, I was very proud of my friend. Not that he'd made the shot, I'd have thumped him if he hadn't, but that he'd taken his second hog and his biggest to date. Not a bad year for him. First buck last fall and biggest hog this spring.

About a 175 pounder +/-.

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Pretty cool coloration, I thought. Sort of marbled and grey.

Loaded him up and headed for home.

Now, When I butchered him, I fully expected NOT to find the bullet. I figured that SURELY the frail, thin jacketed match bullet had exploaded inside the skull upon impact. So, I put my camera away.

Boy, was I surprised in the skinning process to se THIS!!!! (Sorry for the bad phone pics. I'd really put the camera away.)

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That's a fully mushroomed 168gr .30cal A-Max lodged just under the hide in the middle of the off side shoulder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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The entrance is the Blue arrow, just inside and above the hog's left eye. The Green arrow is where the bullet came to rest under the skin.

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Upon inspection, the bullet took out the front and right side of the brain. Exited the back of the THICK skull just right of the spine through a quarter size hole. Traversed the neck and went through the right shoulder to stop under the hide.

How many of you have ever inspected the skull of a pig? I can promise you, they are NO deer skull. Those suckers are pretty stout! That bullet held together, expanded, and penetrated to the off side shoulder after traveling about a foot of heavy bone before passing through a foot of flesh. To stop in a beautiful mushroom under the thick shield of a boar hog.

All that, and retain over 50% of it's weight after a 50 yard impact distance.

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I expected this sucker to expload in the skull. Nope.

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Proud of my friend and even more in love with the A-Max with every use.
"To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
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  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 8,110 Senior Member
    Interesting colouration on that hog. Is it just me or does he have an unusually long snout?

    As always Zee, I am impressed with your post mortem. I just might have to try some of them A-Max projectiles at some stage...........perhaps when I start reloading for the 308.

    ( ps......I cant see the coloured arrows.)
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    I'd forgotten to put the pic with the arrows in the thread. Take a look now.

    He did have a longer snout than usual. But, the camera angle amplified the effect.

    You ought to give the A-Max a try. Besides, you usually head or neck shoot your game.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 8,110 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    I'd forgotten to put the pic with the arrows in the thread. Take a look now.

    Now that is impressive, bearing in mind the density of hogs and the obstacles in the bullets path

    He did have a longer snout than usual. But, the camera angle amplified the effect.

    You ought to give the A-Max a try. Besides, you usually head or neck shoot your game.
    I currently only use Sierra's offerings as they do all that I need............but I can see myself working up some loads with the A-Max in the near future so that I have a choice.

    Pm on the way regarding something else......
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,474 Senior Member
    Excellent!
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,493 Senior Member
    If you'd have used a hunting bullet, you'd have gotten better performance.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 8,148 Senior Member
    Looks like it got the job done to me. Nice hog!
    Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.
  • SirGeorgeKillianSirGeorgeKillian Senior Member Posts: 5,462 Senior Member
    If you'd have used a hunting bullet, you'd have gotten better performance.

    Yeah, that.

    Nice shooting!
    Unless life also hands you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck!
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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    If you'd have used a hunting bullet, you'd have gotten better performance.

    Some day, I'll realize this and see the error of my ways.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,493 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    Some day, I'll realize this and see the error of my ways.
    Admitting you have a problem is the first step to dealing with it.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    Admitting you have a problem is the first step to dealing with it.

    Guess it's my rebellious tendencies to go against the norm.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,474 Senior Member
    You, go against the norm--Noooo!!!:roll2:
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    You, go against the norm--Noooo!!!:roll2:

    Every once in awhile. Just because.


    But hey! The bullet works, right? Regardless what Hornady does or doesn't "recommend". Sheep follow..........others don't.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    You, go against the norm--Noooo!!!:roll2:

    I remember that thread for that other place that you sent me in regards to the A-Max. I'm determined that the level of stupidity on that board will not be present here.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,474 Senior Member
    Oh I see, you are the new Amax forum moderator for hunting. :)
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    Nope. Just busting myths.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,474 Senior Member
    I've been using Amax bullets on game for about the last nine or so years.
    Back in the day I just considered them a high BC Nosler ballistic tip.
    I had used ballistic tips with great success with the lower impact velocities I get with my specialty handguns for a long time
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    Back in the day I just considered them a high BC Nosler ballistic tip.

    As I said in the other thread, that's what I consider them as well. Anything a BT is adequate for, so is the A-Max it seems.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,493 Senior Member
    So... I can use the 100 168 gr. .308 AMaxes I bought a while back for more than punching paper?
    Overkill is underrated.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    So... I can use the 100 168 gr. .308 AMaxes I bought a while back for more than punching paper?

    If you dare. Careful, you might get hooked.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Like I told you, the A-Max is a different sort of match bullet. It's a long range match bullet. It has a THICKER jacket than normal and the reason the guy told me he wouldn't recommend it for hunting or at least general hunting is that they never did expansion tests on it. It's thicker to withstand the higher RPM of a faster twist barrel needed to stabilize long range match bullets.

    Hey, and if it works for you good.

    The hogs on my deer lease are either cold black or maybe brownish black. They're ugly.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    Snake, go and read the last few posts on that other thread. You're wrong. They do expansion tests. Their site has PICTURES of expansion tests! I linked to them.

    Hornady told me it's a thinner jacket and they do penetration/expansion tests through different media.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    Again, here ya go Snake. A link to Hornady's expansion tests. Look under the "Gelatin" tag. There are pictures and data. There is also a picture of a bisected bullet showing the thinner jacket.

    http://www.hornadyle.com/products/rifle-ammunition/308-win-tap/168-gr-a-max-tap-precision

    If you continue to ignore facts backed up by hard evidence to counter your stance and statements, I don't know what else I can do for you. But, continuing to ignore facts that I have presented and stated by the company on THEIR site and verbally over the phone.........well your credibility goes out the window.

    I have linked the evidence here in black and white.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • WeatherbyWeatherby Senior Member Posts: 4,953 Senior Member
    Lets see one with the 44 mag
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    Weatherby wrote: »
    Lets see one with the 44 mag

    If they would come out before dark, sure!
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Guess ill order some AMax, since I'm out of SST.
    Hopefully, they come in 140 grain.

    Good luck finding any. And no, they don't make a 7mm A-Max in 140gr. Just the 162gr A-Max.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,474 Senior Member
    If you want a 140 and or 150 grain bullet in 7mm that has a poly-tip=Nosler
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,093 Senior Member
    Nicely done mi hermano :worthy:
    Still need to get out there and see if I can get the "double" with your "puny" rifle, Plus I still owe you a "group" with it. Gotta be after the shoulder heals though, wouldn't even attempt a group with your 223 presently.
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Oh, I'll stick with the SST. I was just screwing with Zee....
    But, I may give the 162's a go, just for giggles.

    It'll make you smarter if you do switch to 162gr A-Max. Well, maybe not you. But, it'll make you LOOK smarter.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • KENFU1911KENFU1911 Senior Member Posts: 1,052 Senior Member
    You......You guys....You killed.....mr snuffleupagus .................COOL...:tooth:
    My idea of a warning shot is when the 2nd bad guy watches his 1st buddy go down....
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,988 Senior Member
    knitepoet wrote: »
    Nicely done mi hermano :worthy:
    Still need to get out there and see if I can get the "double" with your "puny" rifle, Plus I still owe you a "group" with it. Gotta be after the shoulder heals though, wouldn't even attempt a group with your 223 presently.

    With the nocturnal nature they are running, the double ain't gonna happen.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
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